On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> iamkeith asked one question and then implied a second question by stating > a wonder. > The question: > I don't always do as good of a Job as Bill at making the message-posting sequence as clear as Bill does, but my message - and rhetorical query of my own - was mostly meant as a response to Corwin's question. My point was that I too suspect indexing might actually work for those who want it - though there's no way I could know for sure yet. I was just hoping somebody might. My other point was that I agree with Corwin saying that there's absolutely nothing to "hate" about rapid-rise. But both options are still nice to have. Horses for courses. A convertible Rivendell RD would achieve what? It would allow people who > love Rivendell but hate RapidRise to spend extra money on a Rivendell RD, > but flip it back to work the same as a cheap Shimano Altus that is already > awesome. I don't see any point in that. > > Well, to me, it would offer an option to continue getting what will be presumably HIGH-quality and presumably polished silver, normal-rise derailleurs - as opposed to perfectly-functional-but-cheap-and-not-attractive Altus derailleurs - which could help me keep my old (and new) bikes running with my preferred 7, 8 and 9 speed drivetrains. I've long since tired of cruising ebay, looking for obsolete parts, but I like what I like. It would be wonderful to have a new and in-productcion option available. And "yes," supporting Riv would just makes it that much better. Not saying I won't buy one or more anyway - just daydreaming out loud. I wish I could find the old Blahg or Peeking through the Knothole or Reader article where they were tossing around the idea of the reversible spring. It seemed so genius and simple to me. Though I suspect you're right - it probably wasn't simple at all. > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:30:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote: > >> Is there a reason this derailleur couldn't be used with index shifters if >> someone was so inclined? Grant said they copied the parallelogram geometry >> from Shimano. I assumed that meant it had a 1.66:1 cable pull ratio, so >> any index shifter up through 9 speed, with a corresponding number of >> detents, should work. The only issue should be that the gear numbers on >> the shifter will be backwards. >> >> What I keep wondering - and nobody ever answers - is what happened to the >> original idea of making these so that the spring could be moved to the >> opposite corners of the parallelogram, so that it could function in EITHER >> a high-normal or low-normal mode. I hope they're doing that. I don't >> dis-like rapid rise at all, but I have a lot of bikes and every time I get >> on my one that has it (Susie), I shift the wrong direction by habit if I'm >> in a crux move. It would be nice to have both options. >> >> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6 Corwin wrote: >> >>> I tried rapid rise last time I was in Walnut Creek. I really liked it. I >>> ditched friction about ten years ago though. Dislike friction for the same >>> reason I like rapid rise: Hills! The San Francisco Bay Area is the home of >>> long hills, steep hills and long, steep hills. I can't count the times I >>> have been grinding up a hill with a derailleur in friction only to have my >>> rear derailleur decide I was in the wrong gear and shift for me. >>> >>> But rapid rise? It makes it trivial to get to a bigger cog. Just bought >>> a rapid rise derailleur for my new Roadeo. Up till recently, I could not >>> see any point in rapid rise. Now that I have tried it - it makes perfect >>> sense. I wonder how many people that disdain rapid rise have actually tried >>> it? >>> >>> Namaste, >>> >>> Corwin >>> >>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:33:25 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote: >>> >>>> I’m definitely in for at least one. >>>> >>>> I’m also curious about the V-brakes. The feature of being able to open >>>> far enough to clear a fat tire has me sold. >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:33:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote: >>>> >>>>> From the Blahh: >>>>> “Yesterday our first sample rear derailer was sent to us from ye olde >>>>> People's Republic of China, made by the same people who've made the >>>>> derailers many of you are riding with now, assuming they are not Shimano >>>>> or >>>>> Microshift or Campagnolo. They made it according to our design, which >>>>> borrowed some of its geometry from Shimano's Rapid Rise derailers, which >>>>> I >>>>> ordinarily wouldn't do, but justify now because Shimano has discontinued >>>>> this style of derailer, and it's too good to be extinct. If Shimano >>>>> decides >>>>> to make them again, which NO WAY, they'd have to do it before we sink >>>>> tons >>>>> of money and have to stop and disappoint the factory and lose all kinds >>>>> of >>>>> international face. It's complicated. Nobody in Taiwan is interested. >>>>> Nobody in America is capable beyond "theoretically." It sure can't happen >>>>> in Europe. A small CNC machinist is not going to do it, assembly and all, >>>>> for less than a price to us that would mean a price to you of less than >>>>> $800. So please don't punch up at your beloved Rivendell or an unbeloved >>>>> me >>>>> for "going to China." China is the only way these are gonna get made >>>>> before Kingdom Come. Your buddy the machinist is not capable of making >>>>> one >>>>> of these in a form and with a price that will work.” >>>>> >>>>> I’ll also be ordering at least one of these. I’ve wasted enough >>>>> dollars and hours trying to find a RD that will fit a 11-40t cassettes >>>>> and >>>>> keep the chain tight with a double crankset (46/30t). This looks like a >>>>> shinny silver bullet solution for a fair price. >>>>> >>>>> Does it look like a 11t jockey and 13t pulley? >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 29 April 2022 at 17:22:13 UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Big pulley and rapid rise. Gonna buy a couple of these. >>>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-04-29 at 8.21.30 PM.png] >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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