Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
cannot keep up with demand. 
They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They even 
had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to successfully 
purchase a watch. 
I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
calling into a radio station for tickets. 
The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale never went 
live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what happened and 
announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t get the email to 
many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not happy. I complained 
and many others did too, because they found a better way.

Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name to the 
list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when its your 
turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 48-hr window 
to make the purchase.

This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support them.


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe <willa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 2-3 
> left though. 
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com <>> wrote:
> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going to 
> leave it for you to buy though
> 
> BL in EC, hitting refresh
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
> 
> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build excitement 
> and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
> 
> I want no part of this.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com <>> wrote:
>> 
> 
>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page you 
>> landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread has 
>> presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard 
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was on 
>> a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order enough 
>> bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for money 
>> or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve bought 
>> several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and visit many 
>> times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>> 
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