Ben — Reading your post two things came to mind. Joe, Jay and Steve 
mentioned them. Try running longer cables and consider stem shifters. There 
are lots of the Suntour stem mount shifters on eBay for less than $20. I 
haven't run them before but I do own some, I think they're pretty cool. 

Do you think you can acclimate to downtube levers? Or is that a 
dealbreaker, no-go sort of option? 

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:56:51 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Ben, after decades of using bar ends I switched  to stem shifters and 
> haven’t gone back. I really like the short housing  run instead of the very 
> long housing run under the bar tape. Using older Suntour friction shifters. 
> Steve
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 9:48 PM Ben Adrian <bunny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Just looking for some gear chat.
>>
>> I have a Rambouillet with drop bars. I'm finally getting everything 
>> comfortable, but I've been around the block with my shifters.
>>
>> My bike came with 8 speed bar end shifters. However, when I did my first 
>> configuration I mounted them on the downtube. They worked great. It was 
>> kind of a bummer to reach down, but I went with it because I loved the 
>> simplicity and getting the cables off the handlebars. 
>>
>> After a while I decided to put them back in the bar ends. I had 
>> previously used bar ends for a long time, so it felt like home. However, I 
>> have a front Mark's rack with a basket and the derailleur cables were 
>> always getting in the way of the front stuff.
>>
>> So I just ran the cables fully under the bar tape and that install works 
>> great to get stuff out of the way, but now my shifting performance is 
>> pretty bad from the twisty cable runs; much worse than any other 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So, nothing is really broken, but I know it can be better. Wondering if I 
>> should try again with a new take on the "not under tape" routing. Or try 
>> downtube again? Or just go nuts and look for a used STI system?
>>
>> Let's chat!
>> Ben
>>
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