I had an older MUSA AHH 61 (2006-ish?) and a Taiwan Sam 62 (2015-ish) with 2TT and for a brief spell I also had a 2TT 58. All of them were 700C. I should also say that they are all gone at this point, nothing wrong with them except my own unnecessary searching for the next shiny object.
Both are amazing frames and can be set up very similarly - I think your tires, racks and handlebars would probably determine the feel and ride more than the frame geo, tubing or anything else. Some details on the way mine were set up: both had front and rear racks, sidepull brakes and short stems: AHH 700x38 + dropbars SH 62 700x44 + dropbars SH 58 700x42 + Albatross It has been said that the Sam is burlier or that the tubing on the Homer is slightly lighter and the lugs are more elegant. To me, they were both equally capable, perhaps the 2TT Sam felt a tad stiffer particularly when loaded, but it certainly didn't feel slower. Also, at no point did I feel like my AHH couldn't carry as much as the Sam. Are you trying to decide which one you'd buy? If so, I would choose based on availability, color, badge, name, which one do you find more beautiful? Oh and sizing: which one fits you better? If you can find a frame where you fall in the middle of the suggested PBH range for either the Sam or the AHH I would choose that. Not sure if this helps, but I think Grant said it best when he said it was hard to tell one from the other when you were riding them. Best. Max On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote: > Dave Grossman > > What made your the Roadini a superior all around bike compared your > AHH-MUSA/MUJ ??? Was the Roadini more lively, handle better, ride > better, or something else??? It seems the Roadini is more a pure road > bike vs the all around nature of the AHH. Just curious. > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > > On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:25:19 PM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote: > >> I have an older Homer (not sure if it is Waterford or Toyo but I'd like >> to know actually) and having owned a Roadini I can say I find it a much >> superior all around bike. I hadn't considered a Sam since I have a Hunq >> but I can do light touring and backpacking with my Homer if I desire. I >> rotate it in my commuter stable with the Hunq and I end up riding it quite >> often. I currently have it set up with Crust Towel bars (with a large Fabs >> in the middle!), VO fenders, and 44s. I have it maxed out, but it is such >> a great ride. I've thought about getting a stripped road bike but the >> Homer is so versatile. I think if I didn't have the Hunq, I'd be more >> inclined to get a Sam. But if you already have a hauler an older Homer is >> the way to go. I have a 63, which I am on the small side for with a 90 >> pbh, but it fits great and I love the ride. My Hunq is a 58 and while I >> can clear a 62 (I've ridden the 62 before) I love having the clearance that >> a slightly smaller frame allows for the rough stuff. >> >> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:27:16 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote: >> >>> Just to be more confusing, I have a circa 2012 Homer, and I believe the >>> even sizes are 650b and the odd sizes are 700c, so there was some overlap >>> within some of the sizes. I have a 54 cm AHH 650b, and I believe the 55 cm >>> and 57 cm were 700c, while the 56 cm was 650b. >>> >>> My Homer maxed out at 38 mm tires + fenders--I've used Parimoto, Lierre, >>> GravelKing, and Soma Xpress, and all are good for me (depending upon the >>> application, eg. commute vs fast ride). My favorite tire size for 650b is >>> 42 mm, and I believe the Sam H can ride those with fenders, so I might lean >>> that direction if I had to choose. >>> >>> Toshi >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/604eec70-4ee2-4b02-85db-c5a2111bc540n%40googlegroups.com.
