My mechanical reasoning challenged mind does not get the apparently self evident "mechanically, logically, intuitively, low-normal/RapidRise derailers are better…" If I cared that my shifters both went the same way to get to a lower gear I would probably go to a reverse pull front derailleur to achieve that. I agree, I want my low NOW and my experience is I get that when I am pulling the derailleur not when the spring is. To me, this is why a reverse pull front derailleur on a tandem is sometimes a solution to having trouble shifting to a granny on a tandem - the springs just seem to have trouble counteracting any chain tension. It is easier on a single to release all the tension so the spring of normal pull front derailleurs usually handle that shift without too much trouble. I also don't buy that low normal didn't take because of racers. The slant parallelogram was a big success for Suntour because they actually were so much better even though the pros weren't using Suntour derailleurs. I kinda think that if OM actually was so much better they also would have succeeded in the market. I have nothing against them and think it is great that there are choices to meet various needs or desires, I'm just not personally moved.
I still find the Rene Herse rear derailleur the most intriguing of the small shop derailleurs. If it could handle a cog larger than what FKT riders use I might even be tempted to give one a try. Wait, I thought he sold those but I can't find them on their website?? Bill S San Diego On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 10:59:39 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote: > Laing, I love the look of those mechs. The Le Tour, the Rally, and the new > Record. With the drillium it does seem they're harkening back to the cages > of the Shimano Crane. It almost looks like your picture is from their > research files! > > Bill, I think you're right, we'd moan if we missed out. I think I'll get > one just to have one and to support such an insane project for a company of > Riv's size to undertake and, hopefully, see through to the end. > > Were those Paul derailers any good? They look cool but I've never read any > accounts of how they worked (or didn't). > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> This demographic is the type that will handwring over the price while the >> part is available, and then bellyache when it is not available anymore, >> finally bemoaning "if they ever bring it back I would buy two!" :) >> >> It's what some people say about Paul rear derailers. They were what >> $350? They/we complained that they were expensive, then complained when >> they went away, and now you often see comments "I hope Paul reintroduces >> their RD!" >> >> Anyway, I'm almost as into Rapid Rise as Grant is, so I bought a bunch of >> XT M751 when they were being closed out, so I have a lifetime supply. That >> said, a bike company in 2022 developing their own rear derailer is kind of >> an awesome achievement, and I'm proud of Grant and the rest of those who >> worked on it. I'd probably buy one even as an artifact of audacity. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 8:18:56 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote: >> >>> Probably not, my vintage SunTour stuff is going strong on my existing >>> fleet, and future bike purchases will almost certainly have contemporary >>> drivetrains. >>> >>> Jay Lonner >>> Bellingham, WA >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:07 AM, lconley <lco...@brph.com> wrote: >>> >>> I love the Campagnolo inspired textured surface and the Shimano Crane >>> GS (Schwinn Le Tour GT300) inspired drillium pulley cage. I will buy >>> one.[image: >>> Derailleurs (3)s.jpg] >>> >>> >>> >>> Laing >>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 9:41:55 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In case anyone missed it, Grant posted some updates >>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/om-1-rear-derailer-update?mc_cid=657279a7fe&mc_eid=592b20cfa2> >>>> >>>> on their new derailer. >>>> >>>> Looks like they found another place to have them fabricated (no more >>>> $350 samples for them) and that retail cost (for us!) will be $175. That's >>>> about $125 more than I've ever paid for a rear derailer. What do you all >>>> think? Would you spend the $175 for one of these when you can get a >>>> vintage >>>> Shimano rapid rise on ebay for way less? >>>> >>>> Image below is latest design. I think they mentioned on instagram that >>>> the red parts will *not* *be red.* Thank goodness. Give me silver with >>>> black pulley wheels. If you thought that Shimano 600EX arabesque >>>> flourishes >>>> were too groovy, well, check out the peace sign detail in that pulley >>>> cage. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: download.png] >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:34:42 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> Really hard to make ends meet with a 20% markup. With a 10% or 20% >>>>> markup, you're more likely to be selling groceries than bikes. >>>>> >>>>> I would be discouraged too. Working hard and putting lots of resources >>>>> behind a project you love - only to have it become impossible is really >>>>> tough to deal with. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Corwin >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 6:14:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I read the blog. The $345 would presumably be Riv's wholesale >>>>>> price, right? So... assuming a nominal retail markup of, say, 20%, the >>>>>> price would be ~$415 for the end user. No idea if there is a standard >>>>>> industry markup, and we know Rivendell marches to their own rhythm. A >>>>>> 10% >>>>>> markup would be ~$380; 30% ~$450. Grant seemed disheartened. I really >>>>>> appreciate his transparency. >>>>>> (Your build videos are great btw Eric.) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great pics, Ana, and yeah, those Nexaves are quite large! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you all read the latest Blahg? Seems the prototypes are crazy >>>>>>> expensive. They'll be CNC machined. Here's Grant's quote from the >>>>>>> fabricators: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "50 pieces. These will be made by CNC machining.... They will cost >>>>>>> $345.5 USD each, total $17,275 USD. The cost base on the QTY" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More here. >>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/done-done-wrong-proably-still-doing-wrong>Um, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> does it seem like maybe 50 Rivendell customers would pool together and >>>>>>> chunk in a non-refundable $350 towards getting this project moving in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> (opposite) direction? >>>>>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:24:45 AM UTC-4 Ana Candela wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, and love it! I got one last year thanks to Grant's suggestion: >>>>>>>> Shimano Nexave RD-C505. It is rather large compared to the other ones >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> seeing posted here, but hey, function before form. I am very much >>>>>>>> looking >>>>>>>> forward to Rivendell's derailer project because function will be >>>>>>>> enhanced >>>>>>>> by form. I think it's coming along beautifully :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My RR der is the #1 upgrade that I've done to my bike, and that's >>>>>>>> saying a lot! The reason is thanks to its logic of shifting: it >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> twist my brain and wreak havoc like "normal" ones do. I always thought >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> shifting in bikes was counterintuitive, but I assumed that was the way >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> derailers. Then at some point Grant brought up the rapid-rise >>>>>>>> derailers in >>>>>>>> the Blahg, and I almost heard angels sing, haha! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now both derailers work with the same logic: if I'm climbing UP a >>>>>>>> hill, I pull either or both shifters UP (easy gear); if I'm going DOWN >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> flat at speed, I push DOWN (hard gear). This just makes sense. And >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> with friction shifters it is just delightful to shift. So smooth and >>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>> silent. Bliss! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below are a couple photos from last Sunday. Long live the >>>>>>>> Rapid-Rise Derailer! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Ana in Seattle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6954.jpg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6934.jpg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2b12d638-fac5-461f-a25a-ab37b1e13599n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2b12d638-fac5-461f-a25a-ab37b1e13599n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> [image: Derailleurs (3)s.jpg] >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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