Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another 
Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" 
version) for a bunch of years!  Sold it about a year ago and replaced it 
with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but 
still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolutely love the 
way a hardtail climbs, and rides in general - I do find I get fatigued 
quicker on it vs. the full suspension bike, but otherwise it's all good 
things - I can still ride everything I ought to be riding, but I'm tasked 
with a little more care in my line choices and when to elect to walk, which 
is healthy. I'm fully committed to the plan of picking up a Stooge mk6 when 
they come out next year to replace the Japhy, and put myself back in the 
realm of fully rigid steel bikes across the board. 

On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 15:24:26 UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wonder about this exactly. If something works for someone I am the last 
> to question it. But, in my time off road with the Clem the long stem and 
> backsweep of the Bosco are GOLD! This position and the way it makes the 
> bike feel / handle are pretty much my only reason for considering a Susie. 
> I know it goes against everything that says “mountain bike” but I am 
> looking to get away from straight bars. Just today I swapped out a 12 
> degree backsweep bar for a 35 degree one. Feels better but does not feel as 
> good as the Clem.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Mike Packard <mrg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I'm also enjoying this thread. One thing I've wondered about WRT Susie-Gus 
> vs. Clem: Is the reach / effective top tube shorter on Susie/Gus than Clem 
> of similar size? I have a 59 Clem L that is great but even with a very 
> short stem flat-ish bars are too far away. 
>
> mike
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:49 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings all. First, does anyone recall reading in one of the updates 
>> about additional Susie / Gus bikes becoming available?
>> Second, who is using their Susie / Gus as their primary mountain bike?
>> Third, is anyone able to comments on a direct comparison between a Susie 
>> and a Clem L?
>> My Clem never ceases to amaze me. It is, without doubt the most 
>> comfortable bike I have ever owned. I am so ingrained to my position on the 
>> bike that I am now uncomfortable on my dedicated singletrack bike - a full 
>> suspension bike with relatively strait handlebars. The Clem is really good 
>> off road and on mild singletrack, but its weight and flexibility have kept 
>> me from giving it a go on some of the rowdy, rock and root strewn tracks I 
>> like to ride on the full squish bike.
>> Now, I have no illusions about any rigid bike being as plush and capable 
>> on these trails as the suspended bike. But I do have some experience riding 
>> a rigid bike with big tires (Jones 29") and I liked it. The notion of a 
>> bike that puts me in the exact same position as my Clem but dedicated to 
>> singletrack has me more than a little intrigued.
>> Appreciate any comments / thoughts.
>>
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