I've lost more cameras than I can count to theft, damage, drops, etc. But to me, that's the price of getting good photos. A camera sitting in a closet won't get good photos, and a bike in a secured garage not getting ridden won't leave you with good memories. (Worse, when that bike gets stolen the thief managed to get a bike with very little mileage on it!) I think there's no way around it. Again, my back up plan is to have a very firm idea of what geometry the bike has (down to the diagrams when possible), and then in a pinch I can have a custom builder replicate it. My recent experience this year of cracking a frame (the frame builder jumped me to the top of the queue since it was a warranty replacement) was what made me realized that having a second nice road bike isn't an extravagance. So that's another viable alternative.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:55 PM Scott Calhoun <sc...@zonagardens.com> wrote: > Great topic with interesting responses. Like Leah, I'm both guilty and > innocent. I ride my bikes a lot, but I'm also guilty of planning so I don't > have to lock up fancy bikes for significant periods of time. My most used > and useful bike, my MAP randonneur, was also my most expensive. I keep a > couple of u-locks at bike racks at stores and cafes I frequent. I also have > been riding a 1994 Bridgestone RB-1 that I love, and maybe it is not on the > radar for thieves as much, but I'd still hate to lose it. > > Which brings me to my biggest bike anxiety: my favorite riding bikes are > simply not replaceable (or at least not easily so). Mitch Pryor of MAP has > left the bike biz, and finding another nice '94 62cm RB-1 could take > forever. The bike thieves in our town are pretty indiscriminate about what > they take. Scanning the Tucson Stolen Bikes instagram profile, I see every > kind of bike: newer and vintage, MTB, and road, utility to fixie. > > On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:57:17 PM UTC-7 penne...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Theft scares me , too. I have some pretty hardcore locks and don't lock >> up for hours at a time if I can avoid it. >> >> It may be possible to breathe a little easier in places where the bike >> culture is, let's say, highly modern. This might encompass a lot of places. >> Even if I struggle to totally believe it, a bike shop owner around here in >> southern Alberta told me that a decently locked bike without suspension >> basically isn't going to be stolen. I'm sure that silver or polished (ie >> "old looking") components make a bike even less interesting to would-be >> thieves. A basket might make a thief roll their eyes! Swept back bars? >> Puke! Suspension mountain bikes dominate the scene here, and I'm sure that >> the rapid takeover of all sorts of e-bikes further concentrates the efforts >> of real thieves on a particular part of the spectrum. >> >> Something Riv-ish and well-locked so as not to entice an opportunist is >> probably pretty safe in my neck of the woods, at least, even if I still >> worry. >> >> Mack >> >> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:34:52 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote: >> >>> after riding a lot of bikes in a lot of terrible conditions i've come to >>> find for the most part a semi well maintained bike is pretty robust and not >>> so worried anymore. >>> >>> the two things that DO worry me is >>> >>> 1. bike theft. Having a bike you can lock up. Ideally the workplace has >>> secure bike parking and if I park for less than a few hours neighborhood >>> pending. I no longer bar hop and in general pretty careful about where to >>> park for short periods. Knock on wood aside from a few stolen bits and bobs >>> off my bikes never had any real major theft. >>> >>> 2. SALT. Previously living in Alberta, they put some sort of demonic >>> liquid ice melt on the paths. I used the 45north Kavas on my winter bike >>> and they were great in all conditions and especially on ice and hardpack >>> snow. The ice melt would melt through snow and ice making some sort of >>> corrosive slurry that felt like riding on wet sand at a beach. The ice >>> slurry ate through an imperfect powder-coat on my SSFGmtb "winter bike". By >>> spring it was bubbling and flaking terribly and lead to a lot of rust that >>> I have yet to deal with since moving other than a good scrub and light >>> oiling. It's fine as "beausage" on my Marino winter bike - but would have >>> been pretty choked if it were a Riv or Crust 4x the cost and meant as a >>> "lifer". If they just left the packed snow it'd been fine and i'd ride any >>> bike in the snow with studded tires. >>> >>> I feel quite guilty if i'm not using most of my bikes regularly. >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0), >>>> but not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be >>>> better, but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds, >>>> which means that the roads will be clearish for a big chunk of the winter, >>>> so I compromise. There is a 90+% chance that I’ll lose rear traction and >>>> fall a time or two this winter, but I’ll be wearing lots of clothes so it >>>> won’t hurt too bad! If I had the clearance you’ve got on a Clem, I might >>>> even run something bigger and spikier (?) like the Schwalbe Ice Spiker, >>>> which I think comes in 29x2.25. Along with Schwalbe, 45NRTH seems to be the >>>> other good option for studs. They have a tire called the Kahva that is also >>>> 29x2.25. >>>> >>>> Mack >>>> (apologies to the thread if this message appears twice, I'm having >>>> email problems) >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:55:07 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mack, I like that setup on your Joe a lot. Cool! Are those 2-inchers >>>>> studded? >>>>> >>>>> I use studded tires in winter (Continental Spike Claw 26 x 2.1") that >>>>> I got cheap through Craigslist. I have thought of getting a set of >>>>> studded >>>>> tires for my Clem, but would need 700c and haven't begun to sort that out. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:39 PM Mack Penner <penne...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Grant's blahg was a bit of a kick in the pants for me. Here is a >>>>>> photo of my just-winterized Joe in a snowbank on my commute this morning. >>>>>> This commute would have previously been earmarked for my "beater," which >>>>>> I've decided to give to my brother, so he can squirm through the snow on >>>>>> 30mm studded tires while I plow (and sometimes squirm), on 2-inchers. >>>>>> Coping in -20 degrees on the prairies, >>>>>> Mack >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your two examples, Pam and Ana, are by no coincidence also my two >>>>>>> biggest role models when it comes to using the heck out of one's >>>>>>> beautiful >>>>>>> bike. I try to channel them all the time, and in fact, I recently sold >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Charlie because I was finally able to fully accept that its existence >>>>>>> in my >>>>>>> quiver was to be a "lockable" alternative to the Hillborne - and I >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> just ride the Hillborne [but be smart about it]. The Hillborne is >>>>>>> closing >>>>>>> on 8000km and the Bombadil nearing 5000km which is nothing compared to >>>>>>> Pam's numbers, but I'm proud of the mileage nonetheless - and optimistic >>>>>>> that this is just the beginning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I spent a somewhat embarassing amount of money on the Bombadil's >>>>>>> repaint, but generally haven't been too fussed about the scratches I've >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> into that paint - with one exception: it fell over once and the Paul >>>>>>> brake >>>>>>> lever put a sizeable gouge in the top tube's paint. It looks horrible >>>>>>> because it doesn't look like a scratch from riding, it looks like a >>>>>>> scratch >>>>>>> from poor care. So if you ever wonder why I put a "BIKE" sticker in >>>>>>> such an >>>>>>> odd spot on my bike... it's to cover that scratch (photo from today's >>>>>>> cold >>>>>>> and wet ride) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 18:04:25 UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since this is the my first time owning a Rivendell bicycle; a Clem >>>>>>>> Jr. "L", I have grown to appreciate it more and more when I ride it. >>>>>>>> Purchased it mid-September of this year. I am relieved and happy at the >>>>>>>> same time to be able love this bike, after years from retiring my road >>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>> (2012); a 1973 Cilo Sprint-X turned into a sports touring bike with >>>>>>>> drop >>>>>>>> bars. It fit me well. However, I became older and grew tried of riding >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the drops. I struggled with my Raleigh Elkhorn in a lot of >>>>>>>> modifications >>>>>>>> that led to not riding the bike very much in the long run. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Generally, the material possessions that I own, I take good care of >>>>>>>> and not see them neglected. Knowing that my Clem Jr. "L" is not your >>>>>>>> everyday production bike and not that easy to replace, I plan on not >>>>>>>> locking it up and not letting out of my sight. My Cilo I never locked >>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>> up nor out of my sight. I do have a garage for my bikes. Yes, I would >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> very sad to have my Clem Jr. "L" stolen. I do not have a back up bike >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> it at his time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know over time, there will be nicks, scuffs, scratches and deep >>>>>>>> cuts into the paint and frame. To me, that is a reflection a well loved >>>>>>>> bicycle, just like the Velveteen Rabbit children's book story. Isn't >>>>>>>> it ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It as been quite a journey owning fourteen bikes before my Clem Jr. >>>>>>>> "L" in my life. I am glad that I made this purchase and crossed over a >>>>>>>> bridge to finding comfort and feeling the joys of cycling once again >>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>> retirement years. I long to ride off road, again soon. It handles very >>>>>>>> confident and true over the terrain. It just wants to keep on rolling. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need to buy some Honjo fenders for it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel >>>>>>>> Yelm, WA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:33:03 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great thread. I would love to ride my Riv every day but I have >>>>>>>>> the following problem: I live in Rochester, NY and during the winter >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> means riding in a salty gray slush. So I have what I used to think >>>>>>>>> of as a >>>>>>>>> "beater," a Rivified 80s mountain bike (Peugeot US Express) that I >>>>>>>>> ride to >>>>>>>>> the grocery store a couple time a week, in winter with studded tires. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> painted the bottom bracket shell and dropouts with red Rustoleum. >>>>>>>>> Rear >>>>>>>>> derailleur is rusty, chain is rusty, it gets nasty. Can't rinse the >>>>>>>>> salt >>>>>>>>> off during sub-freezing weather, as I learned, or the shifter cable >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> freeze inside the housing. I have not got to the point where I can >>>>>>>>> imagine >>>>>>>>> taking my Riv out in that mess. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the other thing, though--I love the Peugeot US Express. I >>>>>>>>> paid $40 for the frame--later added Nitto bars, a dyno front wheel, a >>>>>>>>> huge >>>>>>>>> double rear basket--but I ride it with very much pleasure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 12:51:48 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you >>>>>>>>>>> have? What strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear >>>>>>>>>>> perspectives. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm in the "lucky to be able to afford several bikes for lots of >>>>>>>>>> different purposes" camp. I don't obsess over them as precious >>>>>>>>>> objects - >>>>>>>>>> none of them are "collector" bikes that will make my kids >>>>>>>>>> millionaires. I >>>>>>>>>> do, however, like to keep them clean and well maintained. (Chain >>>>>>>>>> waxing is >>>>>>>>>> easy and therapeutic.) My wife and I gave each other a Santana >>>>>>>>>> tandem for >>>>>>>>>> our wedding and rode it around Vermont for our honeymoon. Over the >>>>>>>>>> years of >>>>>>>>>> riding, carrying it in or on the car, putting the kid converter on >>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>> getting hit by a car while towing our infant daughter in a Burley >>>>>>>>>> trailer >>>>>>>>>> (!!!), it gathered its fair share of beausage. For our 30th wedding >>>>>>>>>> anniversary we gave it a fresh paint job in Waterford French Blue >>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>> bunch of new parts. It's doing lighter duty, now, and staying pretty. >>>>>>>>>> That's the thing about steel-framed bikes, right? You can have it >>>>>>>>>> both ways >>>>>>>>>> over time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My Rivendell Road just had a visit to the chiropractor. A week >>>>>>>>>> ago a low-flying hawk took my front wheel out from under me. The >>>>>>>>>> scratches >>>>>>>>>> will remain, but it's sure nice to have the frame straight again. >>>>>>>>>> Another >>>>>>>>>> 25 years and maybe I'll get it painted again, but I'll keep the Joe >>>>>>>>>> Bell >>>>>>>>>> paint on there as long as I can. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My "errand" bike (complete with twin-leg kickstand, but no >>>>>>>>>> plate!) is a custom Terraferma designed originally for brevets. The >>>>>>>>>> geometry is perfect for carrying a bunch of stuff in the basket on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> front. I keep it reasonably clean, but it lives in the garage and is >>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>> to be riding on salty streets soon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This thread could easily occur on a Porsche mailing list, too. My >>>>>>>>>> Boxster is definitely not "precious"! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ted Durant >>>>>>>>>> Milwaukee, WI USA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/fBVXpMqGxr8/unsubscribe >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b719e22c-ed80-4026-8913-bc6c6d244686n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b719e22c-ed80-4026-8913-bc6c6d244686n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/fBVXpMqGxr8/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/671908f3-913c-4f2e-a9ad-09004c071501n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/671908f3-913c-4f2e-a9ad-09004c071501n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAPh0EZ42r5rzE9%3De5siwZAfnEJzBkrsJbp5YNg2AcWeoOvZT%2BA%40mail.gmail.com.
