Spoke tension wasn't an issue until hubs with wR went down to ridiculous level. On one of my recent builds I discovered that the non-drive side was definitely too loose if I tensioned the drive side to Velocity's specs. So I made the decision to just tension the spokes to beyond velocity's specs for maximum tension and live with a shortened rim life. That was not a trade off I needed to do in the past.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 3:16 PM Will Boericke <wboeri...@gmail.com> wrote: > Totally agree with John's wheels. If I didn't like building wheels so > much, I'd buy his for sure. > > As far as spoke tension imbalance, I'll reserve judgement until I have a > problem. Currently, I have 8 bikes with 9+ speed freehubs. I've never had > a spoke tension related problem with any, including wheels that I have > abused unduly (I really shouldn't ride singletrack with 24/28 wheels, > but....). In my sample size of 8, spoke tension is not an issue. > > Will > > On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 2:15:21 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote: > >> John at Neugent Cycles strikes me as "the real deal" with the right >> connections and knowledge of modern wheel-building practices. Plus I could >> be wrong but I think he's building these wheels himself, regardless they're >> hand-built here stateside. (He let me mail some SimWorks' raw brass nipples >> to use for the wheel build to his home address). >> >> I'm still rocking 8 speed cassettes so yes, it's a bummer 11 speed >> systems screw with the structural integrity of the bicycle wheel. But >> frankly, I'm not looking for these to last me 20 years. I'm a very light >> rider, on a budget, ride 90% pavement, and I wanna lose 1.5lbs off my >> wheels if I can! >> >> Bill made a joke about seeing these wheels on a Gus and I can do ya one >> better: Neugent offers a carbon tubular wheelset at a sweltering 1000g that >> I think would pair nicely with a Gus if anyone's looking to get up Mt. >> Diablo with some pep! >> >> - Andrew, who jokes aside is a little curious about those tubular >> wheels... >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:27:52 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Andrew is correct. I made a mistake --- the washers are on the drive >>> side, not the non-drive side. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:20 AM Andrew Turner <andyree...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Washers are put on the drive-side rear spokes. >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:16:43 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote: >>>> >>>>> So if the drive side spokes have higher tension, why are the washers >>>>> put on the non-drive side spokes? Again, makes no sense to me. >>>>> >>>>> Laing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> The drive side still has higher tension, and the way to get durable >>>>> wheels is to get high tension without cracking the rim. The washers spread >>>>> the load of the spoke nipple over a wider area and prevents the rim from >>>>> cracking. With lowish spoke count wheels and dished wheels, you can easily >>>>> exceed the rim's cracking threshold. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:27 AM lconley <lco...@brph.com> wrote: >>>>> So if the spoke tension is equal on both sides, why would one side >>>>> need washers? Makes no sense to me. >>>>> >>>>> Laing >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> I would consider Ted Neugent's wheels: >>>>> http://www.neugentcycling.com/Alloy-Wheels.html >>>>> >>>>> The TwoX technology (16 drive side spokes, 8 non-drive side spokes so >>>>> you can have equal tension of spokes on both sides, with washers on the >>>>> non-drive side so you can tension them safely without the rim cracking) >>>>> makes a lot of sense to me. I've ordered a set and will report back when I >>>>> get some real riding experience. I build my own wheels and they're >>>>> reliable >>>>> but his approach makes sense and he has the scale to get the right parts >>>>> drilled correctly in this case, and I can't build anything as light. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hey there group, >>>>> >>>>> As far as pre-built, lightweight alloy wheelsets are concerned, I'm >>>>> currently looking at 3: >>>>> Pacenti brevet, Ritchey Zeta II classic, and Hunt but leaning towards >>>>> the last 2. I've had experience with Ritchey's and really enjoyed them and >>>>> their clever J-bend design, but Hunt's are better stocked. Does anyone >>>>> have >>>>> positive experience with Hunt wheels or do they lack longevity? >>>>> >>>>> I'd also be inclined to hear about your custom-built lightweight >>>>> wheelset experiences. 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