Sean referred to a Rene Herse UD-1 rack as "listed if anyone ... is 
interested"

Does that mean it is offered for sale? Is it offered as-pictured, missing 
all the hardware?  What's your price?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:47:50 PM UTC-8 Sean, PNW wrote:

> I've a Rene Herse UD-1 rack listed if anyone searching for an adjustable 
> and lightweight rack with a 10 kg (22 lb) weight rating is interested.
>
> It’s very nicely built and high quality w/adjustable struts that can fit 
> the same mounts as a 32f.
>
> Rene Herse specs - 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/rene-herse-ud-1-disc/
>
> Pics - 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZN_guFpHhKwBSHXI89expGdVdYFwrZH6?usp=sharing
>
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 5:29:45 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Will thanks! That's exactly what I was after. 
>>
>> Re: the non published weight limits/tether advice, I wonder if it's 
>> because of failures that happened? Either way I don't plan to put a ton of 
>> weight on it. I think it'll be alright. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 4:30:26 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> @ Zac: The 32F on my Quickbeam routinely exceeds the 4.4-lb load. I'd go 
>>> with Analog's 15-lb limit.  As load increases, slow-speed steering 
>>> weirdness becomes the constraint long before one worries about rack 
>>> integrity.  Using archive.org, I just took a peak at 
>>> http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/webalog/baggage_racks/20020.html from 
>>> February 2006 (about the vintage of mine), and see that they did not 
>>> publish a weight limits nor recommend tether straps back in the day.  When 
>>> did published limits appear?  Anecdotally... I've walked my 4-year-old (30+ 
>>> pounds) home from school while she sat backward on the 32F rack (I pushed 
>>> the bike).  And the similar VO Rando rack has a 12-pound rated limit, tho' 
>>> it has straight stays to the fork blade eyelets.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:40:54 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I always thought it goofy also to buy a tiny rack and then put a 
>>>> big wire basket on top of it and expect it to be stable. Even if one does 
>>>> it anyway, in "zac's" case with a shallow head tube frame, the 32f is poor 
>>>> choice as it has no adjustability in any way to get it close-r to the head 
>>>> tube. While a M 18 or Marks rack would offer that, more platform and 
>>>> relative strength is called for here. The Soma/VO Porteur racks are fully 
>>>> adjustable and there's no concern with loads. The VO includes a platform 
>>>> fence, no cheap wire basket needed. How the bike may feel/handle, well 
>>>> that's a separate story.
>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:43:54 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> this has been discussed many times before.  in this age of litigation, 
>>>>> nitto has always been conservative with their weight ratings, but we're 
>>>>> all 
>>>>> adults and have to make our own decisions.  that said, and keep in mind 
>>>>> this comes from someone thats been running a nitto mini front for over 10 
>>>>> years with a basket, you can get away with more weight.  now even i would 
>>>>> say, if your plan is to bring back 15-20 lbs of whatever often, then 
>>>>> thats 
>>>>> not a good idea (imo), but for occasional heavy loads, its fine.  
>>>>>
>>>>> my bigger issue with this combo is i think the smaller racks are not 
>>>>> wide enough of a platform for stability to secure a basket.  i recently 
>>>>> switched to a nitto/simworks obento rack and its been a little more 
>>>>> stable.   
>>>>>
>>>>> you don't mention what bike you are planning for this, but if its a 
>>>>> rivendell, most of them do not steer well with a heavy front load, which 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> another reason to keep it light.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The pass and stow is nice but im going for something lighter that 
>>>>>> hopefully sits closer to the headtube. having the load out in front of 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> axle like that feels too sloppy for me. I think im gonna try the 32f 
>>>>>> with a 
>>>>>> beefy strap and just not go too crazy on the load. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is why I’ve just opted for the five rail rack from Pass & Stow: 
>>>>>>> 25lbs or less suggested, rated to 50lbs, and can handle 200lbs. I’ll 
>>>>>>> *never* need all that it can offer tbh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:57:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is why Riv got Nitto to make a Basket Rack. They kinda backed 
>>>>>>>> themselves into a world of riders putting big loads in a big basket on 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> little rack on the if-the-wheel-locks-up-things-get-ugly-fast end of 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> bike and...you don't want that. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried it, I hated the way it affected the steering, I run most of 
>>>>>>>> my load on the back now. My recommendation is to keep basket loads in 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> range of weight you would normally allow a bar bag to run. And use 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> strap. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe "safer than sorry" Bernard 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 3:45:22 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never used a rack that wasn't stronger than the M5 stainless 
>>>>>>>>> steel screws attaching it to the bike.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Years ago Riv said don't put baskets on this rack. With all sorts 
>>>>>>>>> of wink wink caveats and the advice to always put a strap around your 
>>>>>>>>> rack/basket to your handlebar. 
>>>>>>>>> From memory, Nitto had a lot of issues with the 32f because wald 
>>>>>>>>> baskets allowed too much leverage on the crown brace and it would 
>>>>>>>>> fatigue 
>>>>>>>>> fail. So not really a weight problem but a torque, use case problem. 
>>>>>>>>> Front 
>>>>>>>>> racks failing, falling into front wheels is very serious accident 
>>>>>>>>> bad, 
>>>>>>>>> something a company would want to legally distance itself from.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have never had a Nitto rack come even close to failing and I've 
>>>>>>>>> put crazy stupid weights on most of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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