As a cold weather cyclist in Maine in the 80's, with Minnesota and the 
Appalachian mountains more recently, I'll add to the OP's revelation 
regarding neoprene that a set of neoprene pogies (or bar mitts) on the 
outside, coupled with wool gloves on the inside, gets me through everything 
from 40 degrees and rainy, to -20 and breezy. I simply match the 
thickness/warmth of the inner wool gloves or mitts to the conditions, and 
if it's 50 with wind and rain, just pogies alone will keep my paws warm and 
toasty.  I've experimented with all manner of thick and clumsy arctic 
military mitts (compliments of my time spent in Uncle Sam's Navy) to boiled 
wool mitts (compliments of my time spent on a Maine "lobsta boat") and 
found an outer layer neoprene pogie supplemented with the aforementioned 
woolies underneath provide the greatest comfort & flexibility for a range 
of temps and conditions while on my ride.

Al - VA

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 6:54:45 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This by the way, but here in usually very dry ABQ, NM it has been raining 
> off and on for a few days and the humidity during my afternoon ride was 
> over 70% which mean that 45*F + wind felt much colder than at 35%. But a 
> wool jersey + a wool + nylon cycling jacket kept me over-warm (those wool + 
> nylon panel jackets are very warm indeed, I find).
>
> Usually at 45* I can get by with a very thinly lined cycling shell over 
> said jersey and may have to open the pit zips.
>
> Over and out.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 1:33 PM Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is a great idea. The rain/air would exchange heat far less than the 
>> ocean, so I would imagine that even if you are wet underneath that you 
>> would remain quite toasty. 
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:32 PM Jason Fuller <jtf.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting, I might give some a shot this spring. I get the 
>>> feeling that much colder than low 40's would be too cold for most Neoprene 
>>> options but I don't really know. Usually when it's 45+F I am pretty happy 
>>> with wool and a shell that's at least waterproof enough to keep the 
>>> majority of water out - not much ends up being truly waterproof in those 
>>> conditions.  I can certainly believe that the water-going folks are onto 
>>> something though. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 07:39:34 UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks on this board might already have this information, but it was a 
>>>> revelation to me.
>>>>
>>>> It was 48 and heavily raining on, Tuesday I think, riding from Goleta 
>>>> to Oxnard, CA. We (my son and I) were uncomfortably cold, with many miles 
>>>> to go.
>>>>
>>>> We came upon a surfing shop. I know nothing about surfing or scuba, but 
>>>> I bought the socks, gloves, and a hat that surfers wear with their 
>>>> wetsuits. Wow, what a game changer. We were instantly comfortable. For 
>>>> heavy rain in cold weather, neoprene is great for cycling. 
>>>>
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