I should add - I didn't realize my aside about it needing a little work 
would be so noticeable - that my front shifting works good enough most of 
the time now. My intent was to show how a narrow range double could work 
with one of those huge cassettes people use for 1x's. 

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 11:31:52 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That may be the next move but I suspect it's a spindle length issue. This 
> FD was designed to run with an MTB double with a wide Q and 10-spd 
> chainrings closer together, it's not quite snapping over hard enough to the 
> small ring before running out of travel (limit screw all the way out). I 
> don't want to put in a longer bottom bracket so I may need to pick up an 
> older FD like Riv used to put on most of their bikes.*
>
> *This is the part of the story where I remember why I gave up front 
> derailers. 
>
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 11:17:01 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> Looks like you can lower the new derailleur a tad. Have you tried that 
>> and run into interference?
>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:04:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I had a nice 1x and wanted slightly lower gears for some crazy hills 
>>> around here, but didn't want to lose the already relatively low top end so 
>>> mashed some parts together and this is the result. 
>>>
>>> Starting point: SRAM Rival 1 (with clutch) rear derailer, I believe the 
>>> largest cog this is supposed to handle is 42t. I added a Garbaruk cage and 
>>> pulleys and it shifts a SunRace 11-50 11-spd cassette with a SRAM Apex 
>>> trigger shifter. The front is a Sugino XD crank with 34t chainring. 
>>>
>>> Ok what happens if I want double rings? The manufacturer stuff says I 
>>> can't use a 1x derailer (I don't know why) so I thought I would cheat a 
>>> little and make it kind of two 1x's by adding a 30t inner ring, Shimano 
>>> Deore (DynaSys 10-spd double) FD and a Silver2 thumbshifter on the stem. It 
>>> works! 
>>>
>>> Ok it doesn't work completely fabulously yet, the downshift to the small 
>>> ring doesn't always take and I still have some fiddling to do but overall 
>>> the bike works well for me using all of the gears in the 30t plus grabbing 
>>> the top 2 or 3 in the 34t on occasion, and sometimes just staying in the 
>>> 34t like before. It's not a massive increase in gear range, I think of it 
>>> as an expanded 1x. 
>>>
>>> Does it make sense? I don't know, maybe this can be duplicated by ye old 
>>> triple drivetrains with 11-36 cassettes but I don't like triples. I like 
>>> this! 
>>>
>>> Joe "tried to ditch front derailers, ended up with a front derailer 
>>> again" Bernard
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230429_211431.jpg][image: 
>>> Screenshot_20230429_211411.jpg]
>>>
>>

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