So "Susie Lugged" in June" has become "Susie/Wolbis/Gus combo Hillibike. 
Lugged." in October. OK, not likely to impact me, I have my Gus. But I do 
love lugged frames.....

As far as the Appaloosa vs. Hunqapillar comparison - the Hunqapillar has 
the best head badge by far - love those Trilobites, kinda wish my Bombadil 
had a Hunqapillar head badge.

Laing

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 7:14:06 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I am curious. It was mentioned in an email back in January, right before 
> the last Susie/Gus shipment:
>
> Tomorrow is the last chance to get a fillet brazed Gus or Susie. They're 
> discontinued, not because we don't love 'em but because the fillet brazing 
> is super time consuming for our frame manufacturer and because a lot of 
> people find the two iterations of what's almost the same bike confusing. 
> Hillibikes will return, but not in these forms.
>
> I also took this screenshot around the same time. Maybe they were just 
> using the name Susie as a placeholder. Maybe not. Of course someone could 
> just give our friends a call to find out...
>
> [image: IMG_0020.PNG]
> Bones
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 9:03:24 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
>> would just be an Appaloosa.*
>>
>> this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but ended 
>> up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still *prefer 
>> *the hunq, but I i really like my appaloosa.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, but 
>>> in a different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  
>>>
>>> If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
>>> would just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and probably 
>>> heavier tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old Hunqapillar, 
>>> at least in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   I would love to 
>>> ride my 54 Hunqapillar and the closest to the same size Appaloosa, back to 
>>> back, to see how much difference the longer chainstays make.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two biggest differences (in my opinion) between a Clem L and either a 
>>>> Gus or Susie; the latter are not step through frames & they both have a 
>>>> significantly higher bottom bracket than the Clem. I think the Clem is 
>>>> accurately described as a “Hillibike”. Gus & Susie are legit mountain 
>>>> bikes. Love them both!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2023, at 8:10 PM, ssimarsawhney <ssimar....@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My guess would have been 1in threaded with thicker tubing, which feels 
>>>> like a clem. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can someone speak a bit more about the differences between the two? 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:44:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think anyone said Susie and Clem are alike, we said Clem L 
>>>>> covers the same territory. Gus is more specifically its own thing, 
>>>>> there's 
>>>>> no other Riv in the category. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:59:28 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Owning both a Susie and a Clem, I do agree with Garth that they are 
>>>>>> almost nothing alike.  On the other hand, I guess I don't see as much 
>>>>>> distinction between the Susie and the Gus as some do, and think of them 
>>>>>> as 
>>>>>> interchangeable.  Just slightly clunkier and stiffer tubing on one.  
>>>>>> Assuming it will still have the not-quite-step-through swoopy top tube 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> that lugs could be shared with Charlie, it would be hard  to Imagine 
>>>>>> Rivendell having a new set made for 1 1/8" threadless headtubes and 
>>>>>> larger 
>>>>>> diameter downtubes, but who knows.  It sounds like the scare of losing a 
>>>>>> lug supplier has receded for now, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:24:58 PM UTC-6 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The one feature that I see the Gus/Susie just begging for is a set 
>>>>>>> of triple bottle bosses on the *rear* side of the seat tube. With 
>>>>>>> those long chainstays, it seems the perfect place for another big (1 - 
>>>>>>> 2 
>>>>>>> liter) waterbottle for those of us in hot, dry locations.
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Andrew in Sydney
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 02:35:56 AM GMT+10, Brian Turner <
>>>>>>> brok...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know anything specific about this new Hillibike 
>>>>>>> iteration scheduled for October? Care to make any speculations or 
>>>>>>> predictions? According to the latest Riv IG post, it only says "lugged, 
>>>>>>> green and dark gold".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My main questions are:
>>>>>>> Will it have a straight top tube like the Platy / Roscoe Bubbe, or 
>>>>>>> the nice graceful swoopy one like Gus / Susie / Charlie?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1" threaded or 1-1/8" threadless (like Gus)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heavier tubing (like Gus), or lighter duty (like Susie)?
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