George,

If you're friction shifting Rivendell sells chainrings without ramps or 
pins. I do friction shift and in my experience the Origin8/Vuleta rings 
work fine.
https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainring-110-x-46t-12016

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> George, Drilling out the pins to expose the holes already present won't 
> matter at all. Those holes are nothing compared to "back in the day" with 
> the drillium craze !  The 60's weight weenies dream. 
>
>
> http://classiccycleus.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Drilled-out-chainrings-and-crankarms.jpg
>
> The pins and ramps are called "shift aides" by manufacturers. It's a 
> rather self serving thing, that indexed shifting needs "aides" to help move 
> the chain. Anyone that knows how to friction shift knows they are not 
> needed. 
>
>

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