I liked the mid-drives although this has a lot to do with the monster hill 
I was living on at the time. I'm probably not a good source for reviews now 
cuz I kinda soured on the whole thing; if I got back into it now I would 
buy a dedicated ebike and leave the Rivs to pedalers. Which you shouldn't 
read as criticism of *your *project, it's me saying I shouldn't add any 
more to the discussion cuz it's about a thing I no longer do. 

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Patrick,
>
> Yeah, its all in all pretty easy to get set up and going, and it would be 
> easy to remove and return to just a regular bicycle. The Kit actually came 
> with the hub motor already prebuilt into a wheel. If you are savvy I 
> suppose you could unlace the rim and build the hub into a different wheel. 
> That thought crossed my mind since the included rim is a fair bit narrower 
> than the alex rims of the stock clem... 
>
> I'll have to give another update on the run and charging times, I took it 
> for a couple rides today and there are discrepancies between the battery 
> reading on the battery vs. on the handlebar display. According the 
> handlebar display I just about used up all my power on a 45 minute ride 
> today, but on the battery itself it indicated I still had over half the 
> power. I think I'll try and see how long I can go before it totally shuts 
> down sometime in the next few days.
>
> To me it seems like a lot of power. I've been running it on the lower 
> power mode and supposedly with the speed limited to 15 mph.
>
> And yes, the disc on the bb spindle is used to sense your pedaling. You 
> can see the magnets in the disc, which pass by the sensor mounted on the 
> downtube.
>
> Hey Joe, good to know I'm in safe territory! Makes good sense, I feel like 
> this 250w motor moves pretty good so I imagine there would be quite a bit 
> of torque with 500w, definitely too much for the slender fork blades. 
> Interesting to hear about your different experiments, did you have a 
> favorite? I have to admit there is something alluring about riding a clem 
> as fast as my road bike with only a little effort..
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:03:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Looks like you're good there, Stephen, 250W is pretty mellow. Yes it's 
>> the torque that would concern me with a more powerful hub motor; no bad 
>> experiences (I used 250W on an Appaloosa), I just try not to be too crazy 
>> with slim fork blades not designed with a motor in mind. Most 
>> front-hub-motor bikes I see are running really beefy forks. 
>>
>> My first build was a ridiculously powerful rear-hub Clem, Grant rode it! 
>> Then I did a few with even more ridiculously powerful mid-drives, those 
>> were tons of fun. But I'm out of the ebike game these days. Maybe in the 
>> future I'll try one again. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:46:52 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Joe,
>>>
>>> That would be because of too much torque on a weak fork I presume? I'd 
>>> be curious to hear more about your experiences with eRivs, and is that a 
>>> determination you've made based on a bad experience? Have you done both 
>>> front and rear type motors? I have to admit I'm pretty clueless when it 
>>> comes to the details of ebikes in general, but I hope that since this kit 
>>> is intended to be universal it will be safe enough for the type of riding 
>>> my father will be doing and that the company would be responsible enough to 
>>> highlight potential incompatibilities. It does seem like eBikes are still a 
>>> bit of a wild west of little to no regulation.. Unfortunately the kit 
>>> website is pretty limited in describing its technical specifications (it is 
>>> very much designed for non technical people) and I can't find a spec as to 
>>> whether its a 250w or 500w motor, but it does list a 40nm torque. How does 
>>> that speak to your experience?
>>>
>>> I didn't notice anything bad on my test ride yesterday, but I suppose 
>>> I'll give it a longer ride today and see if I notice any dangerous fork 
>>> flex...
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks fun but - as a fellow who's built a few eRivs - I gotta throw in 
>>>> a warning here about wattage. If that's a 250W hub you're good, I would 
>>>> worry about 500W on Riv's spindly forks. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thought I'd share my project of the day: electrifying this clem L for 
>>>>> my Dad.
>>>>>
>>>>> A little backstory:
>>>>>
>>>>> My family and I all chipped in a few years ago to get my Dad a Clem 
>>>>> complete in an effort to give him a fun and healthy exercise activity 
>>>>> following a near death heart attack in 2020. Despite really liking the 
>>>>> look 
>>>>> and comfort of the bike, his level of fitness was really limiting the 
>>>>> amount of time he could spend on it. He'd be wiped in under 30 minutes, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> unfortunately living in the suburban south, safe and accessible riding is 
>>>>> fairly limited and largely unexciting unless you're covering big miles 
>>>>> out 
>>>>> on country roads. Add to that the fact that his main riding partner, my 
>>>>> mom, has been a long time road cyclist with a much higher level of 
>>>>> fitness, 
>>>>> they ended up getting him an ebike from rei. Its made a huge difference 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> how much he's able to ride and his willingness to ride, but he's still 
>>>>> been 
>>>>> partial towards the Clem. 
>>>>>
>>>>> So my folks ordered an ebike conversion kit, gosh, like a year ago and 
>>>>> it finally arrived recently. Its a front wheel motor with a handlebar 
>>>>> mounted battery pack, and supposedly a pretty simple install. However, 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> some reason the axle on the wheel was 10mm as opposed to the 9mm clem 
>>>>> fork 
>>>>> drop outs so I had to do a bit of filing (on the axle) to get it to fit. 
>>>>> Took it for a spin and it really goes! Feels a little less 
>>>>> jarring/unnatural than other ebikes I've tried. I'm curious to see how it 
>>>>> holds up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please excuse the messy cables in the pics, still got some neatening 
>>>>> up to do. And for those curious, the kit is the swytch bike kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_5909.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_5910.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_5911.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_5912.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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