The early 80's Sequoia was the sport/touring model, in the middle between the road race Allez and the full on touring Expedition. Not sure what color options were available. I use to own an 83 Expedition in gray/anthracite. My 82 Sequoia is dark blue. It's not a feather weight, nor is it a tank, weigh in at just over 23 pounds with pedals and two water bottle cages. Fully lugged Tange chrome-moly tubing, with long thinned lugs, it has nice neutral handling, mounts for fenders and a rear rack and room for 32mm tires (maybe 35).
JohnS On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote: > I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that > Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy > > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote: > >> I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride >> and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't >> particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a >> full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- >> water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to >> recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what >> your friend toured on? >> >> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote: >> >>> Were there different versions of the Sequoia? The one I was familiar >>> with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too. >>> It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I >>> thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom >>> bracket shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era. >>> My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a >>> months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back. >>> >>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote: >>> >>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote: >>>> >>>> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or >>>> thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such? I find Sequoias >>>> to be sportingly light. >>>> >>>> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, >>>> Turbo tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the >>>> prototype, >>>> which is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames >>>> are >>>> a joy to ride. >>>> >>>> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a >>>> bit heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame >>>> building forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. >>>> If you look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down >>>> tubes than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls >>>> are >>>> .1mm thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even >>>> Reynolds now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the >>>> main triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat >>>> tube >>>> were always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel >>>> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any >>>> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, >>>> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that >>>> goes >>>> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the >>>> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there >>>> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is >>>> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame >>>> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the >>>> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is >>>> the >>>> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes >>>> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the >>>> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one >>>> and >>>> he loves it. >>>> >>>> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia >>>> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But >>>> I loved the way it rode. >>>> >>>> Ted Durant >>>> Milwaukee WI USA >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/569039f9-576b-4d40-8b23-50b72316a306n%40googlegroups.com.
