Awesome news Eric, glad to hear you're Hillborne is back on the road! JohnS
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 5:17:41 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote: > After twenty miles today with no chain jumping I'm calling this solved. > > [image: sh.jpg] > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:42:39 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote: > >> huzzah! >> >> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:12:15 AM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> What a great outcome >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:09 AM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Ryan and Danny. Just rode another 3 miles on a quick bank >>>> errand, no skips. Will have to try a longer ride when it dries out. >>>> >>>> Also installed a Brooks Pro I purchased from Two Wheeled Texan's Grand >>>> Relocation Parts Blowout and I liked it! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Glad this saga had a happy ending!I bet you're relieved >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ooops, didn't see your update just before I posted. Glad you got it >>>>>> worked out! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:16:54 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious to hear what ends up resolving the issue. I hope it's as >>>>>>> easy as a new cassette, but I'm most intrigued by it being related to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> elongated hole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re: alignment tools, after borrowing my friend's Park DAG a handful >>>>>>> of times over a few months, I decided to buy my own tool. Ended up with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Wolf Tooth one that Stephen linked to. Have only used it once so far, >>>>>>> but I >>>>>>> found it to work quite well. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer, >>>>>>> and I >>>>>>> don't have to endure the frequent screeching of metal sliding on metal >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> I experienced with the Park tool. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Danny >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> George: Thanks for reading along! Yes, the Helicoil seems like a >>>>>>>> more robust solution, I agree. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason: Noted! If only Riv would bring back those beefy headset >>>>>>>> presses they got a super limited run of a few years ago. Never need >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> but... they seemed awesome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:21:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eric, you've *got* to get a DAG alignment tool! The heavy steel >>>>>>>>> one, avoid the new lighter one. It's a must have for the home >>>>>>>>> mechanic of >>>>>>>>> fine steel frames that do not have replaceable hangers. I use it >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>> time the derailleur is pulled off for any reason, or if I'm having >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> stubborn shifting issue - it's amazing how often it's just because >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> alignment was out slightly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:17:13 UTC-7 George Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is one of the more interesting posts/threads having to do >>>>>>>>>> with bike repairs that has come along in awhile (with no intention >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> downplay the unfortunate accident!). I like the final post about a >>>>>>>>>> Helicoil or dropout saver recommendation. My own preference would >>>>>>>>>> likely >>>>>>>>>> be the Helicoil because you have to tap in new larger diameter >>>>>>>>>> threads in >>>>>>>>>> order to install the coil, which seems like it would stabilize the >>>>>>>>>> damaged >>>>>>>>>> hanger better. Having view the dropout saver at the Wheels Mfg. >>>>>>>>>> website, >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure how well that would work in this case. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Further ideas: Antonio at Riv suggested getting a Helicoil tool >>>>>>>>>>> in the M10x1.0 size to repair the bolt hole. Brian Chapman >>>>>>>>>>> recommended >>>>>>>>>>> installing a Wheels Mfg. dropout saver. Either would attempt to >>>>>>>>>>> repair the >>>>>>>>>>> bolt hole. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm open to trying either of those fixes as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the replies, everyone. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A few asked about the chain jumping/skipping/slipping. When the >>>>>>>>>>>> chain is under load it slips or clunks repeatedly. It's kind of >>>>>>>>>>>> like when >>>>>>>>>>>> you're in the wrong gear and you need to trim the gear to get it >>>>>>>>>>>> right. But >>>>>>>>>>>> no amount of trimming is fixing the issue. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried three different derailers, same problem. The >>>>>>>>>>>> cassette was new in summer of 2022 and I haven't ridden in the >>>>>>>>>>>> three big >>>>>>>>>>>> gears enough to wear out the teeth of the cogs. It's an S-Ride 7s >>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell, it's an 11-32. The crank is the same age, installed >>>>>>>>>>>> last summer. >>>>>>>>>>>> SunXCD crank with TA Specialites rings, 42/26. I don't see any >>>>>>>>>>>> issues with >>>>>>>>>>>> the wheel (it's running true) or with worn cassette or chainring >>>>>>>>>>>> teeth. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also no play in the freehub body. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The elongated hole: It could be the derailer is flexing in the >>>>>>>>>>>> hole, hard to determine this off the bike. Derailer seems seated >>>>>>>>>>>> when I try >>>>>>>>>>>> to move it around in my hand, doesn't wobble. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have *not yet* tried installing a different wheel and >>>>>>>>>>>> cassette. That will be next. Should have tried that *much* earlier >>>>>>>>>>>> in the process. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:57:01 AM UTC-4 Jim Whorton >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I just noticed Stephen had already made the point about >>>>>>>>>>>>> the derailleur possibly wiggling in the hole. Yes— what Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>> said. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:52:54 AM UTC-4 Jim Whorton >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though it’s threading in smoothly, I wonder if that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elongated hole is the problem. Wonder if that bolt is moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under tension. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not a bike mechanic by any means but I did spring for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Park Derailleur Hanger Alignment Gauge awhile back and I’m glad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used it on old frames and on a new Riv frame I built up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On YouTube, RJ the Bike Guy has a good video on building a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> homemade dropout alignment gauge, also useful: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PsU8IkkFaok >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim in Rochester, NY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:08:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jensonusa.com/Wolf-Tooth-Hanger-Alignment-Tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:41:54 AM UTC-4 Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Eric, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Been loosely following along. Glad you were ok in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accident but sheesh, what a bummer it did so much damage. Id >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with others for getting a hanger alignment tool, or figuring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make one for yourself. i bought a wolf tooth variety ( i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer the way it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> references to the hub vs rim) not too long ago and dont regret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment. I bought after knocking my appaloosa over on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive side. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will say i am curious too whether there might be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something else going on to cause the skipping.. when my hanger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was bent it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was only noticeable that when in my biggest cassette ring the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derailer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would go into the wheel. may depend on what way its bended. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m curious if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the derailer may have any wiggle in the elongated hole. have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subbing in another derailer or chain to test the system? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I encourage you to keep trying to solve on your own before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching the final solution of frame repair or sending cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be time consuming and expensive. I can’t imagine what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> antonio or mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do that you or someone more experienced on the east >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coast couldnt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-4 CJ wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you elaborate on "the chain skips"? A misaligned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derailleur hanger will cause shifting to be sub-optimal, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger is so bent that the derailleur is way, way out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whack, it can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make the chain skip. Skipping chains are caused by worn or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaged chains >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or cogs. Have you checked your cassette cogs for damage? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chain and cassette? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another thing to check, are your dropouts aligned? Is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheel still sitting straight in the frame? Dropout alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tools are nice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have, but pricey and you shouldn't need them often. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can improvise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with threaded rod and a handful of hardware. Google is your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you own multiple bikes, you should own a derailleur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger alignment tool. I have an inexpensive "Cyclospirit" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one, and it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for itself many times over. It's maybe a little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiddly to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than an expensive, name-brand tool, but it works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:20:22 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, some mild updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've bent and tweaked the hanger with crescent wrenches at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least two dozen times now. Worked on it during the miserable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heat wave here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and during nicer weather yesterday. During the process I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the chain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the derailer, tweak the hanger, re-install the chain and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derailer, test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride. Repeat. Over and over! Every time I ride the bike the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chain skips. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried aligning by hand and eye. I've used a series of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight edges, trying to reference off the cassette to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derailer hanger where the derailer sits. I can get the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight edges into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plane with one another but evidently that's not enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the chain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still jumps. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel like I can finesse this thing back into working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order but I have so far been unsuccessful. The hanger is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relatively flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering how mangled it got. It's considerably better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bolt hole is elongated but fortunately derailer bolts screw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in nicely and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the threads feel good. Through all my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling/reinstalling the bolts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread in nicely each time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One problem is that the guys at the LBS have put their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropout and hanger alignment tools on the bike and they say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the tools show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are aligned. *But* they are also audibly and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visibly weary of putting too much torque on the hanger and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's going to shear off the frame if they look at it funny. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's going to happen. I talked to Grant about this twice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't think that's going to happen, either. He shared an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acedote wherein >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he bent a derailer hanger through 180º of motion several >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times before the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger sheared off. I'm not moving mine nearly as much, just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit at a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. And today I heard Grant Petersen say "Steel is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magical." So I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding that to my lifetime book of memorable quotes by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notable people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's another shop in town but I get bad vibes every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time I go in there so I'm going to spare myself and stay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. I know if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go in there it'll end up being a bad scene and I'll regret >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm open to having a builder try to align the hanger, heat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it up and shape it or braze a new dropout onto the frame. But >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the builder I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know and have worked with before on three other bikes (this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hillborne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included) has sold his tools and retired. Two other nearby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builders haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returned my messages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I'm thinking the best next step is to drop > $100 on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derailer hanger alignment tool and try it myself in the home >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shop. Looking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the Park Tool DAG 2.2. This eliminates the hesitancy of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other mechanics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I'm not afraid to wreck the bike) and gives me a useful tool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Full options going forward (as I see them, open to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions as always): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Buy a gauge and adjust it myself until I'm satisfied >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or I give up and advance to next option >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Take it to a shop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Go-to shop seems afraid to break my hanger, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think that's going to happen but they are audibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and visibly weary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Other shop in town I avoid at all costs and don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to take my bikes to them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Get a new dropout welded onto the bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I wouldn't mind doing this but I can't find a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builder in my area >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Contacted three people. One retired, the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two haven't responded. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Send it to Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Grant thinks Mark or Antonio can fix the hanger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Grant said to send the bike stripped down, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork. How are they going to align and test it to see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chain jumps? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I don't reaaaally want to freight the bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coast-to-coast twice. Not a dealbreaker, tho. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Grant said if Mark or Antonio can't get it he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows a builder who can do the repair but it could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three months before I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the bike back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - This leads me back to... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Buy a gauge and adjust it myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you've made it this far, wow, you are invested in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repair! Thanks for checking in. I'll post more updates as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they develop. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:03:10 PM UTC-4 Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Ryan. Yes, I think the cost for the repair would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be reasonable. I worry the cost to freight the frame would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> painful and the time without the bike could be considerable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how it shakes out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poster is the MTB countryside illustration, same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illustrator who did yours. "Get away fast on a Bridgestone" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that. Hills, dirt road, country church. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yikes! That is too bad but I'm glad you weren't hurt. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you are very ingenious, but maybe the frame needs to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent to Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for repair? Who will no doubt do the repair at a reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which poster? I have the "saddle up on a bridgestone"...my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorite of the Grant-inspired ones...the one with the rider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a roadbike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alongside a galloping horse. Can't remember if I bought it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or from a friend of mine who built many of my wheels and at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one time was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridgestone dealer and sold me my 1993 X0-1 that I still have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:55:39 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not look good. Maybe once you get it into a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stand and carefully remove the derailleur and gently realign >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hanger you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be fine. The rear der pully cage can probably be bent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back into shape. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Issue is probably trusting it. Hope things work out. Glad you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reginald Alexis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:13:02 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey gang — I was out for a Sunday ride and stopped to take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a picture. I rolled to the side of the road and did not see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the culvert, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden with fresh grass clippings. I tumbled over at low >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed. I'm fine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I stood up I noticed my drive-side bar end shifter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had rotated 90º. And my derailer hanger and the derailer were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bent. I spun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the crank while off the bike and it seemed to move okay so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give it a go as a single speed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pedaled for a few strokes, then nudged the shifter. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was at that time the derailer turned upside down and inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, bending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the spokes and throwing the chain. It was really fun! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-07-23 at 3.05.28 PM.png] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is my Hillborne, my most-ridden bike. I'll see if the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger can be bent but I have a feeling it will require some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame builder. That's a Suntour Cyclone. Fortunately I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> five of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (including this one). You might recall the cage tension >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous Cyclone recently failed. This is one of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacements I picked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. It was in excellent shape but now it's going to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salvage bin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I was waiting for a ride four people stopped to ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they could help me. One was a cyclist who said "You need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything?" 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