Send Grandpa's Clem! 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:29:17 PM UTC-4 Will wrote:

> Oh yes.... it might help a bit if the bike didn't look so new. With a few 
> duct tape patches that can be easily solved without hurting the frame. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:24:24 PM UTC-5 Will wrote:
>
>> When I was in college I had a Raleigh Competition and a Raleigh RRA 
>> (French metric Raleigh bike). It was a small campus in Williamsburg, VA. I 
>> had no problems with either bike. Yes, I locked them. Yes, I didn't leave 
>> them out at night and so on, but my point is... with a good U lock and 
>> maybe some wheel theft clamps, I think you'll be fine. No one is looking 
>> for a classic steel bike  these days. Now they want carbon and disc brakes. 
>> And there are plenty of those bikes to steal. I'd give him the Clem. 
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 4:05:31 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about 
>>> 20 years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a 
>>> large public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through 
>>> mistakes. I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over 
>>> the handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without 
>>> life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I 
>>> still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are 
>>> things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family 
>>> to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any 
>>> thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with 
>>> the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year? 
>>>
>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>> Matt in STL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 
>>>> 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In 
>>>> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the 
>>>> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and 
>>>> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college 
>>>>> student. I grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad 
>>>>> that there are parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> happily car free college life. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As 
>>>>> an adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
>>>>> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
>>>>> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
>>>>> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
>>>>> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
>>>>> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind 
>>>>> you) 
>>>>> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
>>>>> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
>>>>> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared 
>>>>> bike 
>>>>> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>>>>>
>>>>> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul 
>>>>> Trucker. Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the loooong 
>>>>> top tube after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised 
>>>>> the cross check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared 
>>>>> Karate Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, 
>>>>> but 
>>>>> fell back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and 
>>>>> rode that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark 
>>>>> Remier's first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> premier. Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in 
>>>>> my size. I loved that bike. That concluded my undergrad....I wont even 
>>>>> start on my bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>>>>>
>>>>> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is 
>>>>> for experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike 
>>>>> dealings were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just 
>>>>> so 
>>>>> much to learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely 
>>>>> other bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring 
>>>>> bike 
>>>>> etc. and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. 
>>>>> Oof - not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't 
>>>>> stopped.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike 
>>>>> from the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting 
>>>>> point. 
>>>>> I absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
>>>>> happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of 
>>>>> love 
>>>>> and support which is super great. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is going great you guys. I think it was clear after many days 
>>>>>> and many posts that the question is "what bike?", not does the kid even 
>>>>>> want one. It'd be super if we could stick with that. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:38:13 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I have to agree with both Johns; the question seemed to be 
>>>>>>> serious and without condescension. The triple question marks indicate 
>>>>>>> reserve in asking the question and not exasperation or putdown; 
>>>>>>> "Perhaps 
>>>>>>> you might consider ...?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Doug H. <dhansf...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>> I took the question exactly as Leah interpreted it. The triple 
>>>>>>>> question mark at the end of the question was pretty emphatic. Take a 
>>>>>>>> breath? Really man?
>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leah, please take a breath and count to 10.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John's question wasn't rude, and was a fair question in that the 
>>>>>>>>> *strength 
>>>>>>>>> of his desire *for a bike at college *could* correlate to the 
>>>>>>>>> amount of attention he would give to keeping the bike secure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You did ask for people's opinions, so please just ignore those you 
>>>>>>>>> don't like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John 
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:22:12 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>> Text makes it hard to tell sometimes, so I suppose I’ll ask.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Is your question asked because you have the perfect bike 
>>>>>>>>>> waiting for him that you would like to gift him?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is your question being asked because you are genuinely 
>>>>>>>>>> confused about the topic of the conversation?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Or is your question posed so as to look down on me, as if I 
>>>>>>>>>> was imposing my choices on my son?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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