*" felt like the front just flipped over on itself"*

That's a good description for what mine feels like.  I also notice they get 
really loud on sharp turns/curves when the tire is inflated to the psi that 
causes the bad handling.  The front tire doesn't do that when it's aired up 
very hard, but that largely negates the benefit of having a fat, supple 
tire.  I could run Big Apples at a much lower pressure and get the cushion 
effect without the squirrely front end handling, but they are just so heavy 
and both had a wobble in them, from the day I got them.  Not the first 
Schwalbe tires I've owned that wobbled, so I'm wary of the entire brand, 
now. 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:44:23 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> That squirrelly feeling is another thing I noticed with the Naches Pass on 
> my Surly. It was actually the cause of a crash I had on that bike. Front 
> end got all squirrelly on me mid corner and it felt like the front just 
> flipped over on itself... I always attributed it to having stretched out 
> the fit on a too-small frame (I’m 6’1” and bought a 54cm Long Haul Trucker 
> to be able to have it in 26” wheels) and the us having shifted my center of 
> gravity too far off the where the frame intended but having now heard a 
> couple people here mention the feeling on the same slick tires, I’m 
> wondering if it’s not the tires on more “touring” geometry frames, that 
> pneumatic vs geometric trail thing that was mentioned earlier. Very 
> interesting indeed!
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 5:42 PM Chris L <clam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> RH Antelope Hill in the Endurance casing on my 54cm Hunqapillar.  I'm a 
>> heavier rider and have to inflate the front to the max of 55 psi to keep it 
>> from feeling squirrely in turns and even then, it sometimes feels off.  Jan 
>> has talked about the effect of psi on cornering with supple tires and that 
>> it's more pronounced with wider tires, so I may try the 48's or even 44's, 
>> next.  
>>
>> I need to get an updated photo with the black grips.  Looks SO MUCH 
>> better than the clear ones.  
>>
>> [image: 54 Hunqapillar.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:53 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Paul - From 
>>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/supple-vitesse-ex-700c-clincher-tire,
>>>  
>>> original SV sizes were 23, 28, 33, 38, and 42. My interpretation is that 
>>> Soma is continuing to make the 42mm SV and the statement you quoted should 
>>> be read as the available sizes are now 28c to 42c, (23c no longer being 
>>> made).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:06:07 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm running Soma Supple Vitesse EX in the 700 x 42 on my Sam Hillborne 
>>>> and like them a lot.
>>>>
>>>> I think 380 g's for that size tire is not bad and the price is good.
>>>>
>>>> I just saw on the Soma site they are no longer making that size. Here's 
>>>> their verbiage.
>>>> (Sizes: 28c to 42c 23c (no longer made)
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had any flats yet on them after around 300 to 400 miles.
>>>>
>>>> In my area I'm always dodging glass.
>>>>
>>>> I can't figure the mindset of the goofballs that through glass out on 
>>>> the pavement.
>>>> Makes me want to cuss. Well, I do if I roll over it.
>>>>
>>>> Someone else mentioned the Continental Contact Speed tires.
>>>> I used them on other bikes in a 26" and 700c size and liked them.
>>>> I guess they are discontinued now or at least hard to find. They wore 
>>>> very well for me.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the Continental Contact Urban took over that spot.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running the Contact Urban on bikes in a 26 x 2.20 and a 700c x 42 
>>>> and they roll really well.
>>>> No flats after several hundred miles.
>>>>
>>>> I only run with inner tubes in all my bikes ... haven't tried tubeless 
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> This rolling resistance review guy gave them pretty good marks and a 
>>>> highly recommend status.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-contact-urban
>>>>
>>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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