Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
and a 700c/50cm


On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>
> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
> lugged? 
>
> Thanks again! 
>
> Jim
>
> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS <rshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>
> -Rich
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to believe 
>> these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
>>> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
>>> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W <ted.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, one 
>>> that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for stuff 
>>> like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i was 
>>> thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave me 
>>> some ideas!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf <dore...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame than 
>>>> it was 10 years ago because…
>>>> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
>>>> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t print 
>>>> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax lug, 
>>>> which you can then cast in steel.
>>>> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
>>>> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs for 
>>>> a 
>>>> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the correct 
>>>> lug.
>>>>
>>>> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
>>>> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
>>>> demanding 
>>>> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>>>>
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