Did clems precede roadinis?

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:45:38 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm happy to share, glad everyone who responded has enjoyed! Always fun to 
> turn up a little Rivendell/Grant tidbit "in the wild." 
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> Probably the 2017 first run of the Roadini. I bought a grey one which has 
>> since been gifted to my sister, I have two orange ones now, a 650b/47cm, 
>> and a 700c/50cm
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 4:02:22 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> This is a great piece, thanks, Eric! 
>>>
>>> Does anyone know which was the first production Riv that was *not* fully 
>>> lugged? 
>>>
>>> Thanks again! 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2023, at 12:28 PM, RichS <rshann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I forgot. Thank you too for posting the article!
>>>
>>> -Rich
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:22:53 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm still in love with the lugs on my 2013 Hillborne:-))) Hard to 
>>>> believe these are on a production frame. Thank you Grant!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two observations from reading the article. 1. The lugged bike 
>>>>> renaissance happened and is ongoing. 2. Neither of my two Rivendell’s are 
>>>>> lugged. Well, the Clem has the seat cluster…
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ted W <ted.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny you should mention this I have a couple different 3D printers, 
>>>>> one that prints in resin which is perfect for making positive molds for 
>>>>> stuff like this because the end product has very fine layer lines, and i 
>>>>> was thinking about how I would design my own lugs… I think you just gave 
>>>>> me 
>>>>> some ideas!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:58 PM aeroperf <dore...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep thinking it might be easier now (2023) to do a lugged frame 
>>>>>> than it was 10 years ago because…
>>>>>> You can design the frame with a CAD program, design the lugs with the 
>>>>>> same program, and print the lugs using a 3-D printer.  If you don’t 
>>>>>> print 
>>>>>> the steel lugs themselves, you can use the 3-D printer to print a wax 
>>>>>> lug, 
>>>>>> which you can then cast in steel.
>>>>>> Suddenly, everything fits.  The lug fits the geometry of the tubing.  
>>>>>> If you make a bigger or smaller frame, it won’t be “we only have lugs 
>>>>>> for a 
>>>>>> 55Cm, but this is a 60Cm”, because the printer can just print the 
>>>>>> correct 
>>>>>> lug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having spent 45 years working in aviation, I know that the skills 
>>>>>> required  to weld/braze thin walled steel tubing are every bit as 
>>>>>> demanding 
>>>>>> as brazing on a lug.  And the CAD tools today are outstanding.
>>>>>>
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