+1 for plastic bags, tho' I use them for wind protection in mesh shoes when it's not quite cold enough for my winter shoes. Over wool socks, 1 or even 2 pairs as needed.
Head: Back when I had a pony tail (I have thick hair) I wondered why people got het up about hats. Now that it's cropped to 1/2" or less I understand. I bought some nice OR fleece skull caps with ear flaps and draw cord that I wear under a winter cycling cap -- Walz or PI; colder and I'll add a neck gaiter* or scarf or balaclava, and for real cold I have a Fargo the Movie trooper's hat with plush lining and ear flaps to wear over ditto. Jacket: I've got choices that all work down to the upper teens: a light lined shell to which I had pit zips added that I can wear over various under layers, the warmest by far being a heavy wool Finnish sweater with high full zip neck; or -- donated by a friendly iBob, a wonderful '80s Italian wool + nylon panel cycling jacket that is surprisingly warm for its weight and which I can wear over various wool layers including an Ibex wool vest. That mountain equipment had is better than my Fargo troopers' hat tho' this is much the same in design and dimensions. I'm tempted to buy one but usually I get by with the OR skullcap or a blalaclava plus a scarf and the Walz or PI winter caps and the trooper is worn only occasionally Gloves: a range from thin silk liners (but cheap; Lands' End junk; they pill) to wonderful, very durable and warm to just above freezing DeFeet wool knit gloves to ex-Bundesweher lined leather gloves bought 2 sizes too large in which I can wear both of the foregoing, then the new mittens into which I can get the leather gloves. I've also got those PI lobsters which also fit into the new leather mittens.** *I have a Buff and a much cheaper one from Varusteleka. Guess which is by far the better: better quality, better weight, better fit? The Buff is pilling lightweight junk tho' I like the blazing orange color. FS: thinnish but very decent wool mittens that came as liners with the leather mittens, unworn, Large; Finnish army mil surpl wool shooter mittens -- sep trigger fingers -- unworn, Large; and OR nylon mitten/gauntlets, I expect XL, bought used but VG. Take these, leave the lobsters, for $25 shipped CONUS. All this + PI lobsters, before I wear them again: $70 shipped CONUS. Hell, I'll through in that Buff neck gaiter too, tho' you'll have to remind me and you should probably wash it. On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 1:00 PM Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote: > I was wondering how I was going to fare wearing the Kinco Axeman mittens > this morning @26 degrees, sunny and a light crisp dry fresh breeze. I wore > the longer cuff Harbor Freight 7 mil nitrile gloves underneath, reversed so > the slick inside glides with the fleece interior of the mitt. W U N D A B > A H ! (pronounced like voon-da-bah) aka Wonderful ! > > I wasn't so sure about the feet either as usually below 32 has been cold > toes with my Altra Trail runners, even with Showers Pass Mountain socks > that are windproof and have some wool inside, supposedly. They weren't very > warm by themselves, surprisingly, until this year I started wearing plastic > grocery bags around my feet before I put the socks on. Now they're warm ! > Vapor barriers for the win ! For more warmth I can place some plastic > packaging pouches converted to toe booties inside my shoes. > > Plus I bought me some fancy Sportful Fiandre road specific jackets this > fall, one of which aptly named "Warm" with a Gore Infinium wind stopping > softshell and a laminated fleece lining. (Fiandre is Italian for Flanders, > a region of Belgium famous for fabulous pro road races) The "Warm" jacket > has all sorts of ventilation built into it, from a narrow strip of fleece > running the length of the under arms, to the mesh caped upper back vent, to > two small zippered side torso vents. It's a brilliant design. It's not > meant for below freezing so I wore two light baselayer shirts, which I > found is warmer than one thicker one, plus another Fiandre jacket on top of > the baselayers and underneath the Warm. The Fiandre NoRain Light short > sleeve jacket. Gawd is it awesome, the back is breathable rain resistant > fabric and the rest is a thin wind stopping laminate that's noiseless and > supple. Having that extra windproof fabric over the shoulders to the elbows > makes a huge difference compared to vests. Very light and packable. All > these Fiandre jackets are like hybrid jersey/jackets, they're meant to be > very form fitting and over baselayers, like a jersey. > > All that with some nice warm Santini Aldo bib tights which I'm pretty sure > is the heaviest/most dense fleece made road cycling wear. No wind blocking > panels, minimal seams, just the dense and very supple "Roubaix" style > fleece, smooth outside and fleecy inside. > > Riding in long low road position(notably less air resistance !) and having > form fitting no flap clothing this year I've kept riding this fall whereas > usually I would have given in to the cold for walking/hiking instead. > > Having a warm head of course is essential and I use combos of balaclavas, > neck gaiters and Lowe Alpine Mountain Caps, which are the bees knees for > anything in the cold. Goretex shell and fleece lining, with loops @ the > chin for DIY securing under the chin. Mine are some 12 years old, but I see > they still make them, albeit with their own proprietary waterproofing > rather than a Gore product. > https://mountainequipment.com/products/classic-mountain-cap-alpine-hat > The brim is wired so bendable any which way, plus it snaps up under the > little horizontal piece of fabric on the front. The main thing I get out > the hat is that it is windproof, just like the socks. If my head is cold I > have no chance to stay warm ! > > On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Thanks. Those are warmer than PI Lobsters? >> >> I've been trying to sell my lobsters but no response, and I may just keep >> them; they'll fit inside the new leather/fleece-lined mittens for very cold >> mornings without (apparently; haven't yet ridden with this combo) binding >> or squashing. >> >> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:35 AM Tim Donner <timoth...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I ride in Western Mass, this mornings ride was in the low 20s and these >>> have been really toasty for me in temps down into the teens! GORE-TEX >>> INFINIUM THERMO SPLIT GLOVES >>> <https://www.gorewear.com/us/en-us/gore-tex-infinium-thermo-split-gloves-100656>. >>> I wear them on my drop bar and swept back bar bikes, with bar end and >>> thumbie shifters respectively. I appreciate that they have XXXL, my palms >>> are pretty big and this gives a snug yet roomy fit and gives me enough >>> dexterity and they aren't super long on my fingers. >>> Full price they are spendy but I have seen them on sale for closer to >>> $50 in the past. >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light >>>> fleece lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not >>>> at all like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR >>>> nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs. >>>> The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they >>>> are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted >>>> these for the leather outer mitts which are large enough to wear over not >>>> only the accompanying wool mittens but my lighter-weight lined leather >>>> gloves (ex Bundeswehr!) and they will even fit over those little-used Pearl >>>> Izumi size L lobster mitts I'm trying to sell without crowding the ends of >>>> fingers or thumb. >>>> >>>> I wish they covered more of my wrists but anything I wear under them >>>> will be longer on the wrist. >>>> >>>> Come to think of it, those very thick and dense OR wool under-mittens >>>> would probably have served as well as these lined leather sheaths, but I >>>> expect I'll prefer the leather for a better grip on the bar. >>>> >>>> Those PI lobsters + OR nylon over mittens (no wool undermittens) + >>>> Finnish army surplus gun mittens still FS: all now $70 shipped CONUS. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm >>>>> in very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My >>>>> fingers are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI >>>>> Lobster gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. >>>>> >>>>> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick >>>>> boiled wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very >>>>> awkward to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the >>>>> brake levers. >>>>> >>>>> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with >>>>> separate thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and >>>>> first 2 fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers >>>>> together in one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger >>>>> compartment sacrifices warmth. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that >>>>> gives the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular >>>>> gloves or mittens that fit the bill? >>>>> >>>>> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can >>>>> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but >>>>> this >>>>> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other >>>>> writing services. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> *When thou didst not, savage,* >>>>> >>>>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >>>>> >>>>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >>>>> >>>>> *With words that made them known.* >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >>>> services. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> *When thou didst not, savage,* >>>> >>>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >>>> >>>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >>>> >>>> *With words that made them known.* >>>> >>> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b2441dc5-e57e-4189-b0fd-05c4ff5551c5n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b2441dc5-e57e-4189-b0fd-05c4ff5551c5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >> services. >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> *When thou didst not, savage,* >> >> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >> >> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >> >> *With words that made them known.* >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/58adeaf9-5f95-46c1-ae99-61cb63209340n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/58adeaf9-5f95-46c1-ae99-61cb63209340n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *When thou didst not, savage,* *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* *With words that made them known.* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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