Plus one Mr. Tapebubba. If any are holding NOS Logic silver @ 170 / 172.5 I’ll take the misery off your hands.
BTW, I seem to recall a thread, many threads way way back when re: Logic arms prone to breaking. Is my memory faulty? Jock On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:11 AM Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > The hidden arm was definitely invented just to make a different look, and > we were supposed to think that look was preferable. There's nothing better > from a performance standpoint with the hidden arm, and it does indeed make > it a TINY bit more work to change a chainring if you are doing things > right*, and substantially harder if you are doing things some other way. I > think it's a logical and good thing that Rivendell designed Silver cranks > with a normal 5-arm setup. > > That said, it works out great for me that so many people seem to have such > a hard time with hidden bolt cranks, because I've never had a problem with > it, and your shared struggles has got to help drive the price down for me. > Walking around my garage, there are four bikes with hidden arm Ritcheys, > three with hidden arm Sugino, and two with hidden arm Campy. If there are > any of you out there at your wits-end about it and want to ship me your > unwanted 172.5mm cranks, let me know. > > Maybe I should do a YouTube to show how to deal with it the right* way? > That would probably be pointless because in general it seems that those who > have made up their minds that they are terrible seem to have their minds > completely made up. > > There is no question that the hidden arm does not make it EASIER to > replace a chainring. It makes it a tiny bit harder. I'd put it on par > with tying my shoes. My BOA shoes are the easiest to install onto my feet > and extract from my feet. Lace-up shoes are harder to install and harder > to extract than BOA shoes. That's a fact. Still, I know how to tie my > shoes, and I do include lace-up shoes in my closet. I imagine it would be > logical to boycott lace-up shoes and label shoelaces as the worst thing > ever, and limit oneself to strictly BOA shoes (and slip-ons). That would > be a principled stance. From my perspective, it's a baby and bathwater > situation. > > My guess is that there are three reasons Rivendell designed the Silver > cranks with normal 5-arms: > > 1. their customers vocally complain about the hidden arm > 2. there is no performance benefit to the hidden arm > 3. the post-forging machining steps are more complicated and costly with > the hidden arm > > There's no reason to make an already expensive product even more expensive > by adding a valueless feature that your customers will bellyache about. > > I've got guesses at how and why people struggle with the hidden arm, and > it's probably a combination of 4 things. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > *by right, I mean the way that was obvious and self-evident when I first > ran across them in the late 1980s, but it seems what was obvious and self > evident to me is not universal. > On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:27:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> "Probably too much of a pain to deal with." >> >> Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the >> introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring >> bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a >> many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain >> in the patooty. >> >> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote: >> >>> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino AT >>> cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the >>> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell >>> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain >>> to deal with. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Reginald Alexis >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at >>>> Roman's Legolas. He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, >>>> so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. >>>> >>>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. >>>> Looks pretty cool! >>>> >>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh >>>> >>>> Bill Lindsay >>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/811af3a8-ddb6-4271-af46-0d49f6059e7dn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/811af3a8-ddb6-4271-af46-0d49f6059e7dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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