The scalar involved here, 6 lbs, and 15 lbs, hardly fits into weight weenie 
discussion.  
But I do remember a thread about why some bikes feel faster.  Less energy 
going into changing the rotational speed of components means more energy 
going directly into drive.  

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 12:31:30 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am not a weight weenie. I will take the beauty over the weight. I have 
> enough low gears to not even think about. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> ...loving my beautiful retirement bicycle. 
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> It's interesting to view a moderately weight weenie thread on this list! 
>>  expect Rivendell make their frames as heavy as they are largely to 
>> avoid breakage and resulting costs of return or repairs; that's a guess. 
>>
>> But reviewers of even the Clem, which I gather from list discussions is 
>> built with heavier tubing than the Platypus, describe it as feeling agile 
>> and fast; I recall Patrick O'Grady's very favorable review of his new Clem 
>> some years ago I can't find it right now but I did come across a surprising 
>> number of positive reviews of the Clem in the -- well, perhaps not 
>> mainstream but certainly not RBW-list media.
>>
>> I do think weight matters to how fast (or to put the same thing another 
>> way, how easy to pedal) a bike *feels,* but IME it's not the only or 
>> even the most determining factor, as some of the fastest "feeling" bikes 
>> I've owned have been relative tanks, and even had rather heavy wheels, tho' 
>> none had f+f+wheels. weighing 18 lb.
>>
>> But I've certainly owned frames much lighter than Rivendells that seemed 
>> as able to carry loads and be durable and, in some cases, consistently feel 
>> faster than the Rivs they replaced - tho' I've owned heavy frames that also 
>> felt faster than comparable Rivendells.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 10:19 AM Chris Fly <four...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... I fully believe a 15# weight difference WILL make a fairly big 
>>> difference on a ride, esp one with hills.. at least for how I like to ride. 
>>> I got my first Riv back in 2008ish and Grant certainly wasn't worrying 
>>> about weight then as my Bleriot I had was certainly overbuilt for sure, but 
>>> it wasn't too crazy.. 
>>
>>
>>> Anyway, I'm certain I'm the outlier here in my thinking and that's ok, I 
>>> still love looking at the classic Rivs and enjoy riding my Dad's AHH. 
>>>
>>> Chris in Sonoma County 
>>>
>>

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