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BL in EC On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. > > PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to > it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to > see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE!!!! > > On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update: >> >> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my >> color-matched aluminum fenders. As far as I can tell, that is the last of >> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th >> birthday on Thursday the 8th. >> >> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters. Everyone else will >> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share >> photos. Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new >> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink. The frame and fork are Pink with >> Cream headtube and accents. The Nobilette stem is Pink. The Honjo fenders >> are pink with cream "French tips". >> >> Don't tell anybody else. They'll find out soon enough... >> >> :) >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week >>> for paint >>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to >>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well. I'm beyond >>> excited about that. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the >>>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first >>>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because >>>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting! >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. >>>>> In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects >>>>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, >>>>> and >>>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give >>>>> them >>>>> first shot at the actual reveal. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>> El Cerrito, Ca >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on >>>>>> your new bike day.... and what color did you paint your bike??!!!!! (I >>>>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set >>>>>>> that I'm pretty excited about. I like the people and products at HED, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes. They offer a >>>>>>> premier rim treatment called RA black. The rim is machined rough, and >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface. It's >>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full >>>>>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders. We'll see how it turns out... it will >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> be red. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or >>>>>>>>> choose something else? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived! Rivendell received my >>>>>>>>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint. >>>>>>>>>> I paid >>>>>>>>>> them a visit and gave it a look over. It looks very nice and I'm >>>>>>>>>> eager to >>>>>>>>>> see it painted, and built up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various >>>>>>>>>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a >>>>>>>>>> pleasant visit all around. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets. 27mm >>>>>>>>>>> tubulars. Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass >>>>>>>>>>> (622-35). >>>>>>>>>>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike >>>>>>>>>>> (622-38). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't plan on using fenders. I plan on being able to use >>>>>>>>>>> fenders. I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers. Those brakes are >>>>>>>>>>> super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable. My opinion >>>>>>>>>>> is that >>>>>>>>>>> they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and >>>>>>>>>>> fork >>>>>>>>>>> with those brakes in mind. Weigle and Nobilette are the two who >>>>>>>>>>> I'd trust >>>>>>>>>>> to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now. Nobilette's >>>>>>>>>>> queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Nobilettes. I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope >>>>>>>>>>> he is >>>>>>>>>>> charging what he needs to keep the lights on. I was happy to pay >>>>>>>>>>> the price >>>>>>>>>>> I've paid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck >>>>>>>>>>>> with it. The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs. >>>>>>>>>>>> Well >>>>>>>>>>>> worth the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's >>>>>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main >>>>>>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>>>>>> looks best. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4 questions >>>>>>>>>>>> What size tire will you use?? >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders. What width are you >>>>>>>>>>>> planning on?? >>>>>>>>>>>> What brakes do you plan on using?? >>>>>>>>>>>> What is the lead time?? I thought the last Blaugh talked >>>>>>>>>>>> about closing the custom order book for a time and then starting >>>>>>>>>>>> again >>>>>>>>>>>> something like 1 year later >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>> or a Rivendell Custom >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo. It is priced like a Roadeo, will have >>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo graphics, and is not a custom. I went to rivbike.com, >>>>>>>>>>>>> put a 59cm Roadeo in my cart and paid for it. Over email with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark A, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> specified a bunch of details. They included: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost >>>>>>>>>>>>> options) >>>>>>>>>>>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are >>>>>>>>>>>>> no-cost options) >>>>>>>>>>>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be an upcharge) >>>>>>>>>>>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown. Holds the >>>>>>>>>>>>> fork blades a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Will not >>>>>>>>>>>>> change the A-C fork length >>>>>>>>>>>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on >>>>>>>>>>>>> rear housing stop. I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze >>>>>>>>>>>>> on like >>>>>>>>>>>>> is pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he >>>>>>>>>>>>> said OK. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what I'll pay for that >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low >>>>>>>>>>>>> and off-center from 6 o'clock. Legolas slotted cable guides are >>>>>>>>>>>>> at 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>> o'clock for two cross-racing reasons. I asked for mine off >>>>>>>>>>>>> center up top, >>>>>>>>>>>>> biased to the non-drive side >>>>>>>>>>>>> -fender attach points (no cost option) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Threaded or threadless? Can't wait to see it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right that there are gatekeepers. In this case, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A. Grant's main thing is if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like 60/40 that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time. This week, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gave Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression that a canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riv. But since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a custom from Riv and you are staying with the Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design principles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it is go. Can't wait to see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with each other, though coming at it from slightly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions. Best of luck on your new canti-roa build and be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure to let us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all know how things worked out in the end, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "skitishness" of a higher BB" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't use the term "skitishness". I said "nervous" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "agile", which I think is equivalent to what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling "lively" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "responsive". We're talking about the same things. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences, and I like the differences, and I want both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable. Neither is better. On some rides I will pick my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross bike, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on other rides I will pick my road bike. The difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the two is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - whoa! Now I can see where you're coming from on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this build. Lots of different things going on here. And I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the difference between BB heights on a typical cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that matter). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a higher BB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated/rebuilt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '71/'72 Fuji Finest. When I carefully place the two side >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by side I see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that almost everything about the two bike frames is nearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *except* the BB height. The Fuji has more like a 5cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BB drop. Now, whenever I ride one of those two bikes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuji to be much more lively and responsive than the Ram - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not that I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either is better or worse than the other. So... must just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in riding styles or something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The major difference I see between a road bike and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclocross bike is BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> height (aka drop). A cross bike with little drop has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher BB, is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "nervous" aka "agile". A road bike with more drop is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "planted" and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stable". I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas, and had my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal Roadeo. Both bikes are great road bikes, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rode both of them on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets in 2021. Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Legolas on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two 50 milers this past weekend. The major difference is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attribute all of that to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower BB height than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of cyclocross bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently between a cyclocross race bike and a road >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike. I run a 57cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas and a 59cm Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BB height on the 59 (his size). It's a few mm even lower. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "road bike" and a "cyclocross race bike" is pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cantilever road bike" out of a cyclocross racing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frameset. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - none of the above really. I just see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geometry of the Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, since those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are the dimensions that cross bikes also have, adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canti's to it makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more or less seem like a cross bike. No big deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it at all, just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an observation. Many years ago I made an inquiry to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterford about having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them build a bike that would basically be a modification >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard road series frames, but with canti's. I made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mistake by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying that I wanted it built that way so I could easily >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add and remove >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders between Winter and Summer riding seasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently noses in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterford, WI, flew up at the suggestion because I never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a reply one way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or another. Had such a frame been built, though, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would've been about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same as what you've ordered from Riv. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um...OK? What is the purpose of your comment? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you recommending that I put knobbies on my forthcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roadeo and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race cross on it? Are you recommending that I cancel my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order and buy an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the shelf cyclocross bike instead? Are you opining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a road bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cantilever brakes ceases to be a road bike? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just applying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal label to my forthcoming bike? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have responses to all of those. What are we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a cross bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of threads on which I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned a desire to own a Nobilette-built Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cantilever posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It came up in a thread about the Legolas, it came up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a thread about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets on Rivs. I've made no secret that I wanted a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roa. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on record saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my ideal Riv road bike would be a Nobilette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build, constructed of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo Geometry, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearances of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Hillborne. Putting my money where my mouth is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd stated a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times that if any of you would buy my existing Roadeo, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I'd put all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dollars right back to Riv and order a Canti-Roa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it finally happened. Lister Corwin needed my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59 Roadeo frame and fork, and today I sent all his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars plus several of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my own back to Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Abele and I are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ironing out the details. I've got no idea yet how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long Nobilette's queue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is at the moment, but I'm very excited. I have no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue whatsoever on color >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a0e2881f-91c1-4630-9907-f7b8f5c926fan%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a0e2881f-91c1-4630-9907-f7b8f5c926fan%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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