JOY! On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:31 PM Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently." > > Homicide was the intent, so... > > BL in EC > > On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 1:35:05 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! > wrote: > >> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. >> >> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to >> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to >> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE!!!! >> >> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update: >>> >>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my >>> color-matched aluminum fenders. As far as I can tell, that is the last of >>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th >>> birthday on Thursday the 8th. >>> >>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters. Everyone else will >>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share >>> photos. Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new >>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink. The frame and fork are Pink with >>> Cream headtube and accents. The Nobilette stem is Pink. The Honjo fenders >>> are pink with cream "French tips". >>> >>> Don't tell anybody else. They'll find out soon enough... >>> >>> :) >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this >>>> week for paint >>>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to >>>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well. I'm beyond >>>> excited about that. >>>> >>>> Bill Lindsay >>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for >>>>> the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first >>>>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because >>>>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting! >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. >>>>>> In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects >>>>>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, >>>>>> and >>>>>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give >>>>>> them >>>>>> first shot at the actual reveal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>> El Cerrito, Ca >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations >>>>>>> on your new bike day.... and what color did you paint your bike??!!!!! >>>>>>> (I >>>>>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set >>>>>>>> that I'm pretty excited about. I like the people and products at HED, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes. They offer a >>>>>>>> premier rim treatment called RA black. The rim is machined rough, and >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface. It's >>>>>>>> supposed >>>>>>>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full >>>>>>>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders. We'll see how it turns out... it >>>>>>>> will not >>>>>>>> be red. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm >>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or >>>>>>>>>> choose something else? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived! Rivendell received my >>>>>>>>>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint. >>>>>>>>>>> I paid >>>>>>>>>>> them a visit and gave it a look over. It looks very nice and I'm >>>>>>>>>>> eager to >>>>>>>>>>> see it painted, and built up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various >>>>>>>>>>> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a >>>>>>>>>>> pleasant visit all around. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets. 27mm >>>>>>>>>>>> tubulars. Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass >>>>>>>>>>>> (622-35). >>>>>>>>>>>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike >>>>>>>>>>>> (622-38). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't plan on using fenders. I plan on being able to use >>>>>>>>>>>> fenders. I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers. Those brakes >>>>>>>>>>>> are super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable. My >>>>>>>>>>>> opinion is >>>>>>>>>>>> that they can only work great when a master builder builds the >>>>>>>>>>>> frame and >>>>>>>>>>>> fork with those brakes in mind. Weigle and Nobilette are the two >>>>>>>>>>>> who I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> trust to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now. Nobilette's >>>>>>>>>>>> queue is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobilettes. I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and >>>>>>>>>>>> hope he is >>>>>>>>>>>> charging what he needs to keep the lights on. I was happy to pay >>>>>>>>>>>> the price >>>>>>>>>>>> I've paid. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck >>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main >>>>>>>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>>>>>>> looks best. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 questions >>>>>>>>>>>>> What size tire will you use?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders. What width are you >>>>>>>>>>>>> planning on?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What brakes do you plan on using?? >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the lead time?? I thought the last Blaugh talked >>>>>>>>>>>>> about closing the custom order book for a time and then starting >>>>>>>>>>>>> again >>>>>>>>>>>>> something like 1 year later >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a Rivendell Custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo. It is priced like a Roadeo, will have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo graphics, and is not a custom. I went to rivbike.com, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put a 59cm Roadeo in my cart and paid for it. Over email with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark A, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specified a bunch of details. They included: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost >>>>>>>>>>>>>> options) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are no-cost options) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be an upcharge) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown. Holds the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fork blades a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the A-C fork length >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rear housing stop. I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> braze on like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said OK. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what I'll pay for that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and off-center from 6 o'clock. Legolas slotted cable guides are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> o'clock for two cross-racing reasons. I asked for mine off >>>>>>>>>>>>>> center up top, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> biased to the non-drive side >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fender attach points (no cost option) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custom? Threaded or threadless? Can't wait to see it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right that there are gatekeepers. In this case, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A. Grant's main thing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you buy a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like 60/40 that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time. This week, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I gave Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression that a canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riv. But since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a custom from Riv and you are staying with the Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design principles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then it is go. Can't wait to see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with each other, though coming at it from slightly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions. Best of luck on your new canti-roa build and be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure to let us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all know how things worked out in the end, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "skitishness" of a higher BB" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't use the term "skitishness". I said "nervous" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "agile", which I think is equivalent to what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling "lively" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and "responsive". We're talking about the same things. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences, and I like the differences, and I want both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable. Neither is better. On some rides I will pick my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross bike, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on other rides I will pick my road bike. The difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the two is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - whoa! Now I can see where you're coming from on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this build. Lots of different things going on here. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the difference between BB heights on a typical cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that matter). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a higher BB. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated/rebuilt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> '71/'72 Fuji Finest. When I carefully place the two side >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by side I see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that almost everything about the two bike frames is nearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *except* the BB height. The Fuji has more like a 5cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BB drop. Now, whenever I ride one of those two bikes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuji to be much more lively and responsive than the Ram - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not that I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either is better or worse than the other. So... must just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a difference >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in riding styles or something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The major difference I see between a road bike and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cyclocross bike is BB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> height (aka drop). A cross bike with little drop has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher BB, is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "nervous" aka "agile". A road bike with more drop is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more "planted" and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stable". I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas, and had my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal Roadeo. Both bikes are great road bikes, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rode both of them on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets in 2021. Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rode my Legolas on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two 50 milers this past weekend. The major difference is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attribute all of that to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower BB height than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of cyclocross bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently between a cyclocross race bike and a road >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike. I run a 57cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas and a 59cm Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in BB height on the 59 (his size). It's a few mm even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "road bike" and a "cyclocross race bike" is pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cantilever road bike" out of a cyclocross racing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frameset. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - none of the above really. I just see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geometry of the Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, since those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are the dimensions that cross bikes also have, adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canti's to it makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more or less seem like a cross bike. No big deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it at all, just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an observation. Many years ago I made an inquiry to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterford about having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them build a bike that would basically be a modification >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one of their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard road series frames, but with canti's. I made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mistake by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying that I wanted it built that way so I could easily >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add and remove >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders between Winter and Summer riding seasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently noses in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waterford, WI, flew up at the suggestion because I never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go a reply one way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or another. Had such a frame been built, though, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would've been about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same as what you've ordered from Riv. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um...OK? What is the purpose of your comment? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you recommending that I put knobbies on my forthcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roadeo and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> race cross on it? Are you recommending that I cancel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my order and buy an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the shelf cyclocross bike instead? Are you opining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a road bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cantilever brakes ceases to be a road bike? Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just applying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your personal label to my forthcoming bike? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have responses to all of those. What are we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a cross bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of threads on which I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned a desire to own a Nobilette-built Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with cantilever posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It came up in a thread about the Legolas, it came up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a thread about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevets on Rivs. I've made no secret that I wanted a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Roa. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on record saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my ideal Riv road bike would be a Nobilette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build, constructed of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo Geometry, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearances of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canti-Hillborne. Putting my money where my mouth is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd stated a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times that if any of you would buy my existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roadeo, that I'd put all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dollars right back to Riv and order a Canti-Roa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it finally happened. Lister Corwin needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my 59 Roadeo frame and fork, and today I sent all his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars plus several >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my own back to Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Abele and I are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ironing out the details. I've got no idea yet how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long Nobilette's queue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is at the moment, but I'm very excited. I have no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue whatsoever on color >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a0e2881f-91c1-4630-9907-f7b8f5c926fan%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a0e2881f-91c1-4630-9907-f7b8f5c926fan%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d3a03e65-f5f2-4859-aa9f-0fe978f2834dn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d3a03e65-f5f2-4859-aa9f-0fe978f2834dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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