My PBH generally puts me in the middle of sizes. Either at the top of one 
range or bottom of the net. For a step thru/general use bike I would go 
with the size up and for a road setup or diamond frame model I would size 
down. That has always worked for me. I understand that Rivendell will 
sometimes suggest massively sizing up on step thru frames but I have never 
been comfortable that way and also just don't like the look of a slammed 
stem and seatpost.

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 3:41:09 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes! 
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> On Feb 24, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Isn't Grant's intention with these very long reaches to the bar, to allow 
> bars with long sweepback on a stem of reasonable length and with a lot of 
> rise?
>
> In my own case, with short arms and long torso and a drop bar level with 
> or below saddle, I need a very undersquare frame (60 X 56 c-c is perfect) 
> for a level top tube; of courses, if I were to use a non-drop bar with a 
> lot of sweepback, things could be different.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:23 AM Josh C <getjosh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I could fit on anything between 59-64cm with the low top tube but I'd 
>> pick the 59 just to keep the overall length down. These bikes are already 
>> crazy long, I don't want to make it longer unnecessarily, a 64 clem is like 
>> riding an 80s Lincoln Towncar. I don't understand the draw of sizing up. 
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