Re: [RBW] Going really large on Clems

[Richard Rose]

To Ian’s point, the Clem is unique but very flexible & that long reach is not a limiting factor in my experience. I am (according to Riv) an “in betweener” size wise. I comfortably ride a 52 Clem L with a fistful of seatpost, Bosco bar & 135 FacePlater. Even with the long reach the Bosco needs the long stem - that’s how far back the Bosco comes. So if the longish ETT is “absurdly long” it’s what makes the bike work imho. Possibly important to note is that I have the stem almost at its limit height wise. I know I could ride one size up with less seatpost exposed and less stem exposed as well. I might also need a shorter stem, not sure. But, I also ride a large (57?) Gus which has a similarly long reach as the Clem. I only have a couple of inches of seatpost showing and use a less sweptback bar (Albacore) that has a bit of forward sweep also. So that bike only has a 35mm stem. The handlebars though different on these two bikes are in nearly identical grip positions relative to the saddle - and both are supremely comfortable. FWIW I do not have a long torso/arms. When you have a bike where standover is irrelevant there are all kinds of possibilities. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2024, at 12:27 PM, ian m <darkgizz...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm a proponent of sizing to the largest frame that you can comfortably standover, but obviously the Clem L throws that out the window. The thing to look out for on the Clem's is the absurdly long effective top tube. I previously owned a 52 Clem H (83PBH here) and I think it had a 61cm top tube?? Could never get comfortable even with albatross bars. Looks like the current models are even longer, but you are right, the reach remains near the same as the stack increases, bringing the handlebars up and closer to begin with. But a near 47cm reach is nothing to sneeze at, unless you have a very long torso/arms you'll be running exclusively very swept back bars. For comparison a Hillborne reach averages 10cm shorter. On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:53:00 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: I've no advice on Riv sizing except that I personally prefer to downsize wrt their recommendations, but I do want to remind you that list rules require you to post photos of your bikes if they are at all interesting, and yours sound interesting indeed. [For the terminally earnest: No, there is no such list rule, but posting photos of interesting bikes is what old fashioned Catholic moral doctrine called a temporal work of mercy, like caring for the sick and visiting the imprisoned. That's a joke too.] So, please do! On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 9:49 AM Paul Donald <snipp...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not just be fiddling with the condiments. I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach than a 59. Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c2348c56-457f-44c9-8058-02898b8cf5fan%40googlegroups.com. -- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When thou didst not, savage, know thine own meaning, But wouldst gabble like a thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes with words that made them known. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/35fd1dbb-a90f-4248-b6ec-7d9f62369abcn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8DEDA51C-4DE5-4C15-938C-5C043E2B3EC7%40gmail.com.