I have completely disassembled and reassembled more than a couple times, 
both intentionally and un. I have run my set on both the downtube and 
bar-ends on more than one bike, and my wife has a set on the bar-ends of 
her Hillborne. We have broken so many plastic washers trying to keep them 
from slipping that I have multiple back-up bags.

On checking the Riv product page now it looks like the complete shifters 
come with a "new and improved" plastic washer that isn't available 
separately. Can anyone speak to an improved user experience? I have the 
older L/R version rather than the newer X/O version also.

I do think these shift fantastically and are in every way superior to the 
Sunrace shifters I used previously, it's only the slippage that grinds my 
gears.

On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 11:09:11 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I'm not sure if I have the v1 or v2 but probably the v1 and earlier but 
> I've never had slippage.  You do have to line up the square piece when 
> installing them and get the plastic washer lined up too but after that it's 
> tight enough to hold.  The exploded view that Eric Marth will help show you 
> the critical points of contact to line up.  I do know the plastic washers 
> break after a while but that's usually when the bike falls and the shifter 
> takes most of the force of the fall.
>
> On Friday, March 29, 2024 at 6:56:26 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> I love the look of the Silver1 shifters. IMO they are the platonic ideal 
>> whether on downtube or bar-end. Yet I find in my experience the performance 
>> refuses to meet the aesthetic quality. Try as I may I can't get the shifter 
>> to stay put. Loctite or beeswax, slippage, then over-tightening. There's 
>> still no better option than the plastic washer? Hoped the brass bit over 
>> the plastic would protect it, no such luck they always crack. I'm tired of 
>> trying to make these work. 
>>
>> Do the newer Silver2 shifters improve in performance where they've... 
>> let's just say changed in aesthetics? It reads as though they have the same 
>> internals which I would assume is the issue. While they do have a look that 
>> maybe only a mother could love I'm willing to give them a shot if it's a 
>> noticeable difference.
>>
>> I am index curious but not sure I'd want to pay the Dura-Ace bar-end 
>> price rather than making the all-out switch to brifters. Any thoughts or 
>> advice welcome.
>>
>

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