Sorry @George, I did not mean to come off as rude. The 81 PBH detail just 
stood out because I seem to recall Leah is around my own height of 
5'6''-5'7'' ...but vastly younger (I'm 71) and vastly fitter , of course. 
So I had to go to my own Riv stud books to see what my PBH was...shortish 
torso, longer legs and see why Grant put me on a 56 frame. The Rossin for 
comparison was 53 or 54 and my allrounder was 54. GP would size up for a 
road frame, as I recall

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:18:33 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Actually, what I was more interested in was her stand over height (SOH).  
> Riding a regular road frame bike would require whether or not one could 
> "stand over" the bike's top tube without discomfort.  Riv gives the 
> specifics for various past models for this measurement.
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:12:07 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Ryan - sorry.  I don't always see things as clearly with my aged 
>> ready-for-cataract surgery eyeballs.  Nevertheless, it bears repeating.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:06:11 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> 81 PBH was mentioned
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> There ya go Leah!...Put yourself in Bill's more-than-capable hands and 
>>>> you won't go wrong!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:51:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road 
>>>>> bike, and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  
>>>>> After 
>>>>> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
>>>>> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
>>>>> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
>>>>> randonneuse.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
>>>>> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The 
>>>>> newer 
>>>>> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>>>>>
>>>>> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
>>>>> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be 
>>>>> had 
>>>>> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
>>>>> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
>>>>> personal shopper.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
>>>>> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
>>>>> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
>>>>> then you'll have both!  
>>>>>
>>>>> Do let me know if you want more advice
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>>>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>>>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>>>>> ideal. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>>>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>>>>> before. 
>>>>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>>>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>>>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>>>>> rate 
>>>>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>>>>>> agreed 
>>>>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>>>>>> I’m 
>>>>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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