For your reference I’m about 6’1 with a 92 pbh and i ride a 60 appaloosa 
w/swept backs, and would not want to go smaller. However i have no interest 
in putting drops on that bike, I’m guessing sam might have a slightly 
shorter top tube than Joe. hesitant to tell you what you should do, 
hopefully someone has something you can test ride. 

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 4:56:00 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
> short stem. 
>
> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
> for my situation. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>    - The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>    and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>    get the saddle in a good position.
>>    - The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>    comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>    was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>    - The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>    out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>    belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>    adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>    lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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