I'd love to ride one of these to get an idea what they are like. By the numbers, it's within mm of my two touring bikes, a Cannondale T series and a Gordon BLT. The main difference is the slack seat tube angle, which basically just moves the saddle backwards 18 mm vs 73 degrees, by my math. But in terms of head tube angle, fork offset, chainstay length, top tube length -- you name it, it's within 5 or so mm. BB drop is 80 for the 57 cm size, vs. 70 for my bicycles.
Out of curiosity, I'd appreciate it if someone would post the weight and size of their frame when they get it. Not that it'll tell me how it rides, but oversize, heat treated steel -- and a frame that is meant for "moderate" loads, I'd expect it to be fairly light. My BLT is incredibly stiff, since it's built for loaded and off-road touring. The frame -- without fork -- weighs 3,700 g in the 52 cm size. Which is very similar to the 23"(58.4 cm) Cannondale in terms of effective seat and top tubes, as well as the 57 cm Sam. It's a great touring bike but I wouldn't call it lively when ridden empty. I have a 1981 Motobécane Grand Touring that IS lively, tubing is standard size, and it weighs 2,370 g bare, with the headset cups installed and nothing else. It feels much lighter on the road. It's a pleasure to ride unloaded, and I don't think it would make a great loaded tourer. Despite the name. I'd love to hear informed opinions on the Sam. Does anybody use one on brevets? One of these days, I'll have to get a Rivendell frame. It'l probably be a Roadini/Roadeo, but the Sam has always intrigued me. cheers -mathias On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:16:41 PM UTC-4 Drew Henson wrote: > those new colors look great. i have a sam from the last run (i think) in > silver that i love. the homer is what originally attracted me to riv a long > time ago, but i think the current version of the sam is better in the > current version of the homer. > > i also had a crust romeo for a bit concurrently with the sam and while i > don't mind low trail, i preferred the sam and sold the crust. > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 10:56:22 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote: > >> Ditto to what Jim said: sorely tempted, and I'm still doing final >> touch-up on my Clem build. >> >> The new Sams are as ideal an expression of a Rivendell as the Clem. And I >> love the new colors. >> >> - Chris >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:36:50 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote: >> >>> I have to say that I haven't looked at a bike and felt a strong impulse >>> to buy in a long time. >>> >>> But both of those colors tripped the switch for me. Unique and yet >>> wholly Riv. Very fine choices. There are going to be some lucky owners >>> looking back on this day and smiling. >>> >>> Found myself looking at them, thinking "....y'know, I don't really have >>> a swept back bar setup...." >>> >>> Tempting....tempting.... >>> >>> J >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>> >>>> I like the colors coming this go-round. The Sam seems like the perfect >>>> all-rounder and I would get one had I not just bought a Roadini. Who's >>>> planning to get a Sam Hillborne? >>>> Doug >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fed3e9ac-3dcd-4b89-b8f2-dd915836cf7bn%40googlegroups.com.
