Well said, Corwin! My first 2 Rivendells were ordered with BB and HS installed and my late partner built up the rest of the bikes as he was a good mechanic. In 2016 when I ordered my mixte and his health was declining I ordered all the parts from Rivendell . Mark built the bike and Rich built the wheels. The labor was about 200 USD + 50 for fender installation, and , having watched videos of Mark at work, I think it was money well-spent...and I agree that Rivendell IS worth supporting. In late 2015 when I ordered my bike, I think Riv was having some financial challenges at the time and I was more than happy to support them. Win/win.
I do understand the motivation to build your own bike but I myself certainly don't have the workshop or next-level skills of someone like Bill Lindsay...so it made sense to me to go all-in with Rivendell. Know thyself as others have said. On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 3:52:23 PM UTC-5 Corwin Zechar wrote: > I have been paying $200 for (three) Riv Builds for more than fifteen years > now. I think $200 for a great build is an exceptional value. Could I do it > myself? Sure. But Riv doing the build saves me lots of time (and > aggravation, when I discover I need some small part, lube, tool, etc.) And > I never forget - the people at Riv all need to eat, go to the doctor, put a > roof over their heads, etc. > > Keeping good organizations in business is very important. > > Regards, > > > Corwin > On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:34:23 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> If you've got a shop that will charge you for a Tune Up, and then give >> you a full frame-up assembly, that's a nice deal to find. $100 is about >> right for a Tune Up. Do you think they are really going to get the build >> done in under 2 hours? Or do you think you're getting a good discount on >> their time? Rivendell's build-service that is more like a "Tune Up" is the >> $150 job they charge for completes. Your shop's $100 vs Riv's $150 sounds >> like more of an Apples to Apples comp... If your shop knows what they are >> getting into when they quoted you $100, then I'm guessing something about >> your particular situation has the shop thinking the build is going to be >> super quick. Like maybe your frame set is used and not new, and so there's >> zero prep and thread chasing involved. Or maybe the BB and headset are >> already in there and don't have to be touched. Or the cockpit is in a >> single piece already and/or there is no handlebar tape to wrap. You've >> already implied they won't be touching the wheels because you bought new >> handbuilt wheels which are presumably perfecto. At any rate, I'll stick to >> calling BS to the assertion that Riv is charging $300 for exactly the same >> service that normal bike shops would do for $100 or less. If it's a 3-4 >> hour build, it should cost 3-4 hours worth of labor. If it's a 90 minute >> build, then $100 should cover it. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:08:17 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote: >> >>> My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) >>> from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full >>> tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point >>> out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They >>> tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for >>> $200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car >>> lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State >>> or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about >>> everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts >>> either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have >>> to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc. >>> >>> I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are >>> more affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable >>> shops to build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's just facts. >>> That said, I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those >>> good-cheap parts and builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed >>> them to do for bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or >>> else I wouldn't be on this forum. >>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>>> "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 >>>> charge" >>>> >>>> I'm going to call BS on this. I sincerely doubt that there is a bike >>>> shop on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them >>>> building my bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, >>>> when I've bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from >>>> them. It's a 3-4 hour job. Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a >>>> minute for the shop to keep the lights on. >>>> >>>> There are bargains to be had out there, to be sure. If you luck-out >>>> and find wheels on sale, good job. If you know how to find used parts for >>>> cheap, terrific. The existence of cheap used parts does not make >>>> Rivendell >>>> a price gouger, though. It's especially ungenerous to imply that, >>>> particularly when Rivendell is unique in their praise and promotion of >>>> good-cheap parts (like the Acera rear mech). That's my opinion. >>>> >>>> Bill Lindsay >>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop >>>>> assemble it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a >>>>> considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build >>>>> that Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of >>>>> money as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your >>>>> LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. >>>>> Check out the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better >>>>> prices elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is >>>>> selling >>>>> the WI MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 >>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/wheelset-white-industries-mi5-hubs-bto?variant=41760074498159>, >>>>> >>>>> then tack on a shipping fee and tax. I bought the *exact same >>>>> wheelset* (with DT Swiss double-butted spokes) for $750 hand-built by >>>>> ProWheelBuilder (they had a 15% off WI sell last month). No tax in my >>>>> state, no build fee, free shipping. For Riv's cost for an Acera rear >>>>> mech, >>>>> you can get a gently used Deore XT. And so on. >>>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Patrick and others surely remember this one…unless rewritten mostly >>>>>> way out date now. But that’s about where/when we started. >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s a long road full of triumphs and disasters. Add ‘em, more >>>>>> triumphs for sure. That’s how/why we’re still here 🤪 >>>>>> >>>>>> Jock >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:32 AM Michael <mcant...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should >>>>>>> tackle building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never >>>>>>> built >>>>>>> a bike before but I do have a workshop and am good with >>>>>>> tools/mechanically >>>>>>> inclined. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend >>>>>>> a beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have >>>>>>> been wiser to just order it complete? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something >>>>>>> stupid! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/25e3bad5-587a-4d8f-bd29-8ca1f70295aen%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/25e3bad5-587a-4d8f-bd29-8ca1f70295aen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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