Sad. Ebisu are my faves. Was this by chance a mis-understanding of a C-C 
vs. C-T type of measurement?.. 

- Max "fishy gods" in A2

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 2:50:50 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Yikes, happy Mr. Imura is busy and grateful I had mine built five years 
> ago. Dumb luck, too, I suppose as the E was delivered to me in Athens GA @ 
> wait time about five weeks. I got similarly lucky once with a JB respray, 
> as well. 
>
> So I quit while I was ahead. Altho I suppose we ought to learn ‘never say 
> never’ right?
>
> JD
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:18 AM Ken Yokanovich <reflector...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Heartbreaking, yes. I was so excited for my brother when he texted that 
>> his new frame was supposed to arrive. We generally talk several times a 
>> week and seldom about much more than bikes, bike parts, bike rides, and 
>> bike projects. Yes, it's definitely a "First-World" problem, but I was 
>> really upsetting to hear him so disappointed.
>>
>> Careful measurements of several most-comfortable reference bikes 
>> including two different 58cm Rivendell Atlantis and a 54cm Rivendell Sam 
>> Hillborne were supplied.I think the difference between expectation and 
>> reality was a result of different philosophies in how a bike should fit.  I 
>> don't think it's fair to dictate to a builder "this is how you should make 
>> my bike." 
>>
>> I had a very similar experience years ago when I ordered a custom 
>> Waterford touring frame.  At the time, almost every professional bike 
>> fitter that I worked with said I should be on a 56 or *maybe* a 58cm 
>> frame. When I worked with Grant on the order of my first custom, I was 
>> floored by the idea that he was designing a 60cm frame for me. My Waterford 
>> was beautiful and I tried to make it work for years before eventually 
>> setting up a 61cm Atlantis.  
>>
>> Turn around time: it's been about 3 months since my brother shared the 
>> news that he had ordered the Ebisu. He's a very humble guy (one of the many 
>> things I love about him) and doesn't like to brag about acquisitions. So, 
>> I'd imagine one could pad that time a bit depending.  
>>
>> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Golly that's gorgeous and kind of heartbreaking, the thought of ordering 
>>> a custom Ebisu and it doesn't fit.  Were mistakes made on the front end?  
>>> Ordering the wrong dimensions?  
>>>
>>> Since it was acquired recently, what was the turnaround time?  A year?  
>>> Less?  More?  I ride by the shop frequently and think about getting a 
>>> custom built...
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 2:56:00 PM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brand new un-ridden Ebisu all-purpose frame, fork, and custom front 
>>>> rack $2,850 
>>>>
>>>> Chain slap guard, internal wiring for dynamo, fender mounts, and 
>>>> accommodations for wide 700c tires.
>>>> [image: Full Bike.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> *Size information:* Seat tube 56.5cm center-to-center, Top tube 56cm, 
>>>> Standover height 82.5cm with a 700c x 44mm tire. 130mm rear spacing.
>>>>
>>>> The seller is my brother and avid Rivendell enthusiast / multiple 
>>>> Rivendell bike owner.  In fact, I think that is why the bar is set so high 
>>>> *(pardon 
>>>> the pun)* and the reason behind the sale.  The newly ordered frame is 
>>>> too small, particularly compared with the fit of his other bikes. I'd be 
>>>> all about buying instead of sharing if we weren't almost identically sized 
>>>> :D
>>>>
>>>> More photos and details can be found in the Craigslist listing here:
>>>> https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/bik/d/stillwater-2024-ebisu-all-
>>>> purpose-frame/7759855686.html
>>>>
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