I ordered machined Cliffhangers for my Gus, and am using Paul Motolites with the standard Paul-supplied Kool Stop salmons. No squealing whatsoever. Probably due to the machined sidewall, but also bc I’m very meticulous about getting a proper toe-in on my pads.

-Brian
Lexington KY 

On Jun 28, 2024, at 7:26 PM, John Rinker <jwrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Ryan, Thanks for the further info. I'll try the dual compound as things get wetter up here in BC. Now I'm wondering if it's something in the nature of non-machined rims and the softer compound of the salmon pads that makes them 'sing'?

Cheers, John

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:34:19 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey John! I used the duel compound on my Cliffhanger’s and had no squeal so I wouldn’t hesitate to use those again either,

On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
Thanks Bill. I'll throw some black compound in there and look forward to the silence.

Cheers, John

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 8:44:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
For me, the answer was Kool Stop Black. For me, always try salmon first, but don't be scared to try something else next.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
Good evening,

I seem to remember some discussion from a while back about how Cliffhanger rims don't seem to play well with KoolStop salmon pads. It seems the dual compound pads are preferred. Am I remembering this correctly?

I've got a wheel set of Cliffhanger rims with un-machined sidewalls the run between some Avid v-brakes with salmon pads. Despite clean rims and a proper toe-in - perhaps too generous - the rims will often squeal like banshees.

Any thoughts on how the banshees might be vanquished (silver bullet? stake through the heart? Avada Kedavra?) would be appreciated.

I use the KoolStop smooth-post salmon pads with my Paul Neo-retros on my Atlantis without issue, but these are with Dyad un-machined rims.

Cheers, John

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