Actually... if you consider that the Atlantis seat tube is half a degree 
steeper than the Clem's - and then offset your saddle more to the rear so 
that they fit the same, the top tube of the Atlantis might feel longer.  So 
maybe it even accomplishes 4 of 5 of my wishes noted above!... unless that 
is canceled out by the slacker head tube causing the bars to come back more 
toward you?  (Apologies for subjecting you to my thinking-out-loud 
process...)

On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 3:08:09 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> I spend a lot of time looking at geometry charts.  Not because I know what 
> I'm talking about - but because, with my odd proportions, it is extremely 
> difficult for me to find bikes that fit well.  
>
> I often buy bikes just because they DO fit me - even if I don't really 
> need them.  Meanwhile, I keep looking for "the one."  (Honestly, I really 
> just need to break down and get a custom, but I haven't trusted myself to 
> get it right... so buying other bikes is sort of "practice" until I do.)
>
> Owning six Rivendells of my own, I also feel like I should sort of be able 
> to tell if a new model is going to get me closer to what I ultimately 
> want.  (OTOH, my Susie was a perfect example of NOT understanding or 
> guessing or extraplolating well enough.  I love it, but it is a totally 
> different bike than I expected it would be from just looking at the charts.)
>
> So,  with that disclaimer:  I was daydreaming and studying the new 
> Atlantis geometry charts as I am prone to do.  The literature / web 
> description still describes it as an All Rounder but, by my analysis, it 
> sure seems more like a Hillibike!  Don't get me wrong - this is FANTASTIC 
> as far as I'm concerned.
>
> See my chart markup, below.  The most equivalent past model actually seems 
> to be the original Clem H.  I own and love that bike too, but I've said 
> since day-one that I wish it had:  (1) slightly shorter chainstays; (2) 
> slightly longer top tube; (3) slightly more stand-over clearance; (4) much 
> slacker headtube angle; and (5) fully-lugged construction.  the Atlantis 
> achieves three of those things!   
>
> Alsas and as usual, I fall squarely between sizes and the "suggested PBH 
> ranges would put me on a bike that is otherwise much too small.  So I don't 
> know if it's in my future, but I'm sure going to be considering it.   For 
> those who regret missing out on the Clem H when it was available,  this is 
> probably a good opportunity - so I thought I'd share this:
>

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