I’ve converted at 5 NORBA mtbs to drop bar or upright bar all-rounder bikes
and I’ve owned at least 1 pre-NORBA mtb (CyclePro) and I much preferr the
much more neutral handling of the NORBAs for a combination of pavement and
dirt riding. My brother, has who converted at least 30 NORBA and pre-NORBA
mtbs — that’s a  *conservative* guess — to all rounder use, upright and
drop bars, emphatically agrees. I’ve not found it hard to get bars higher
than the saddle with long-quill stems such as the Nitto Dirt Drop or (old
days) Tioga T-bone and Salsa upjutter stems — I’ve never had to use the
other option, quill extenders.

Some might prefer the handling of pre-NORBA bikes, but that is particular
taste and not general consensus by any means.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 2:47 PM iamkeith <[email protected]> wrote:

> … once NORBA ruined things, ATB bikes actually became more “road" bike
> than "mountain" bike for a long, long while.  Plenty light, plenty "quick."
> They just weren't comfortable.

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