Piaw said: "That's one place where I feel Rivendell hasn't truly committed 
to using really wide tires despite most of their bikes coming from the 
factory with super wide tires. If you're going to do that by default then 
just commit to it and have a much lower BB."

Joe says: If I'm buying a bike marketed as a road bike I'm going to expect 
it to be able to run skinny tires without pedal strike looming at normal 
lean angles. Rivendell would be crazy to go the super-low BB route, they're 
plenty low enough now. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> I tried one of the prototypes of the Charlie Gallop. It felt more like a 
> gravel bike than it felt like a road bike. Maybe it's been because I've 
> been too used to my lightweight custom touring bike, but the ultra long 
> chainstays (50cm+ in my size) never gave it the oomph I felt when climbing, 
> though it made the bike feel planted while on gravel. My biggest objection 
> to such ultra long chainstays is that it makes it very difficult to pack it 
> into a bike box and take it on a plane for touring. The Roadini with a 45cm 
> chainstay will barely fit as it is, so something that long was out of the 
> question.
>
> When I was specing a custom frame for my brother, I went with the Roadini 
> geometry with a lower BB (85mm drop) because now that wide tires are 
> available that are light enough to use he sees no reason to run anything 
> narrower than 35mm tires. That's one place where I feel Rivendell hasn't 
> truly committed to using really wide tires despite most of their bikes 
> coming from the factory with super wide tires. If you're going to do that 
> by default then just commit to it and have a much lower BB.
>

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