Neither are "custom" as far as I know...Legolas was offered in limited quantities and made by Nobilette at the end of its run as a Rivendell production model. Yup...don't love the look of those wheels on the Legolas...
On Tuesday, May 19, 2026 at 7:27:45 AM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote: > I looked a little closer at the Blue Rambouillet on Radivist from the > same seller as the Legolas just out of curiosity. I didn't look that close > before since I wasn't interested. Now on that bike, all the parts look like > keepers. It's a nice classic Riv build, unlike the posted Legolas, and the > owner would have been better off sizing up. He says it's a 58 cm and that > looks like it could be right, but almost all the other information is wrong > so I wouldn't trust that either. The Rambouillet wasn't a custom, in fact > it was one of Rivs first overseas mass produced bikes, before that Grant > had the Herons made by Waterford in smaller batches and before that with > some overlap the Road, Long Lows, all-rounder and such that were made in > the USA when ordered. The measurements also make no sense compared to > the stated frame size or the looks of the bike and just add to the > confusion rather than help in any way. Maybe AI was used in the generation > of the post which would make me wary in general. > > If the Ram is not a custom as claimed then likely there is nothing custom > about the Legolas except the wacky parts. I do agree that the Rambouillet > is an Iconic Rivendell Road Bike! > > I found this picture on Tublr of a 60cm for visual comparison of the > headtube size and why I thought it might be a 60cm: > [image: image.png] > > > On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 7:29 AM David Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In case this helps anybody: >> If I had to guess I'd say the Radivist Legolas is a 57 or maybe a 59 >> judging by the look of the headtube length. I don't know what "custom" >> meant in Rivendell speak. It was probably made to order, but I don't think >> Riv would have altered the dimensions from the chart below. Note that the >> Legolas had a higher bottom bracket, steeper seat angle, and less top tube >> slope than a typical 700c Riv. >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 9:30 PM Isaak Oliansky <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I messaged the seller about the sizing on the Legolas a while back and >>> gave up after having substantial difficulty understanding what the heck was >>> going on. >>> >>> On Monday, May 18, 2026 at 5:13:27 PM UTC-7 Dave Johnston wrote: >>> >>>> About the horror, I looked again and I don't think I'd keep much of >>>> anything on that Legolas except frame, fork and brakes. Making it not such >>>> a good value. I also got around and looked at the Blue Ram and the sizing >>>> is clearly off. It looks more like a 60cm to me. It is certainly bigger >>>> than my 56cm Ram. >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 1:31 PM Brian Forsee <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For me the horror is mostly the wheelset. Probably plenty functional >>>>> but not very attractive imo. Certainly not doing the frame justice in the >>>>> aesthetics department >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, May 18, 2026 at 12:27:47 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If the "horror" is the long stack of spacers, at least the new owner >>>>>> has plenty to work with and can cut them down. That's preferable then >>>>>> trying to add stack to a short cut steerer. >>>>>> >>>>>> The sizing measurements didn't really make sense on the Legolas, but >>>>>> they did say it was "custom". A 17cm headtube doesn't jive with a 52.5 >>>>>> Seat >>>>>> tube unless the top tube slopes about 6deg (It looks horizontal) and the >>>>>> wheels are 650b or maybe its less slope and 26" wheels. Maybe seat tube >>>>>> is >>>>>> Center to center? I would double check how the measurements were made >>>>>> and >>>>>> ask what size the tires are. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Dave J >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 12:51 PM Brian Forsee <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple of Riv's on the radbazaar. No relation. 54 Legolas and 58 >>>>>>> Ram i think. Someone save that Legolas! The horror! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://theradavist.com/bazaar/item/vqkl9fkIIZE7gSpN1bEE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://theradavist.com/bazaar/item/9HLFWYQBLPGC1Lpu3uci >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, May 14, 2026 at 2:35:05 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Definitely looks like his Victor... has the "Best Bike" sticker on >>>>>>>> it too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sweet deal for a big well maintained susie! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 14, 2026 at 3:18:34 PM UTC-4 Victor Meng wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does this look like Will's Susie? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-59cm-rivendell-susie/7934083904.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 14, 2026 at 10:39:43 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No affiliation with seller, but someone here might be interested: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rivendell sport tourer ( long and low ) >>>>>>>>>> $3,500 >>>>>>>>>> Listed in Grand Rapids, MI >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 53cm Rivendell lugged cycle cross touring bicycle. 700 wheels >>>>>>>>>> laced white industries rear hub Paul front hub both velocity wheels >>>>>>>>>> Shimano >>>>>>>>>> xt / xtr drive train Nitto front and rear racks Woodys fenders Paul >>>>>>>>>> component touring brakes with half moon hangers Albastache bars >>>>>>>>>> leather >>>>>>>>>> wrapped TRP retro brake levers . Nitto lugged stem and seatpost This >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> Waterford hand made frame with a Joe bell paint job . Rare as hens >>>>>>>>>> teeth . >>>>>>>>>> I’m 5’8” fits like a glove . I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t >>>>>>>>>> ride it >>>>>>>>>> like it should be . Freshly tuned with fresh Schwalbe Big Ben tires >>>>>>>>>> cables >>>>>>>>>> and housing . I can get into more sizing specifications just dm me . >>>>>>>>>> Willing to ship conus . Not sure about international but would >>>>>>>>>> consider . >>>>>>>>>> Keeping saddle pedals and skewers . That’s negotiable too . Thanks >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> looking . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/1LdM1uxJ1T/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: riv custom.jpg] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 14, 2026 at 1:25:21 PM UTC-4 Dan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've got a couple larger Rivs for sale locally here in Reno, but >>>>>>>>>>> open to shipping or meeting up within a couple hour drive. Please >>>>>>>>>>> contact >>>>>>>>>>> directly via Craigslist post with any questions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 64cm Quickbeam: >>>>>>>>>>> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-quickbeam-64cm/7928841263.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 65.5cm Road custom Waterford: >>>>>>>>>>> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-custom-road-bike/7928843724.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 23, 2026 at 3:54:11 PM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Toyo Atlantis sale is pending. I inquired about the frame >>>>>>>>>>>> size. I got no answer. I'm not interested in buying it, just >>>>>>>>>>>> curious. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026, 10:44 AM Jamie D. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Insanely good deal on what appears to be a Toyo Atlantis: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1609258427478015/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A4dfc36a8-6ac3-4e0d-a920-a6f56a4d3ac9 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 11:24:34 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a unique one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-sport-touring-bicycle/7929219008.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sale near Seattle. I (think) a Road size 63 made by Match. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serial is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> R80M, with a 63 stamped on opposite side of BB. Owner, Tom, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Says it has 25s because it's not one of those modern Rivs, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unsure >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what would fit. He pulled a tape measure for me, but I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seat tube- 22.5 inches >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saddle height in photo is 31.5 inches >>>>>>>>>>>>>> top tube is 22.5 inches. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 00r0r_guwwHGNs2HH_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt in STL >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2026 at 5:00:17 PM UTC-5 Bryan H wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My friend is looking for a new commuter bike, hoping if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone near the Portland area has a hillborne, Appaloosa, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis, roaduno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a 51cm. Willing to pay for shipping. Thank you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan in Walnut Creek >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 14:07 [email protected] < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57cm Roadini in Overland Park, KS (Kansas City area) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1541515940743425/?ref=browse_tab >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not mine, just sharing! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 12, 2026 at 11:14:53 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am selling my 45cm Clem L in Santa Fe, NM - it has less >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 25 miles on it! Here is my craigslist ad. Would love a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local-ish buyer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but happy to have it boxed and ship at buyer’s expense if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere. It is a beauty and comes with lots of goodies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Front and Rear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racks, Brooks saddle, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://santafe.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-fe-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-45cm/7903765592.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2026 at 3:01:53 PM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60cm Rivendell Platypus Complete Bike - $3,650 (Berkeley) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-60cm- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rivendell-platypus/7921031381.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell Atlantis 2 - $3,500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/davis-rivendell- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atlantis/7924626188.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1996 Rivendell All-Rounder 59.5cm - $3,800 (Sacramento) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-1996- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rivendell-all-rounder/7921379016.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no affiliation whatsoever with any of them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2026 at 1:20:26 PM UTC-7 mm wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheap blue Ram' outside of Glendale, AZ. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/bik/d/phoenix-rivendell-rambouillet-bike/7924834939.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 2026-04-01_13-19-17.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2026 at 8:40:32 AM UTC-7 Drew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fitchette wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Bill's note(and my quick clicking of the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread), dropping this here to bump in back to the top! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 45cm Clem in Sarasota >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sarasota.craigslist.org/bik/d/sarasota-rivendell-bicycle/7921186337.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59cm Susie in Oregon City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/bik/d/oregon-city-2024-rivendell-susie/7924802670.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 26, 2026 at 11:15:22 AM UTC-4 Drew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fitchette wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No affiliation, but XL Lugged Susie in Tacoma: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yellow Susie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bik/d/olympia-rivendell-susie-longbolts/7923445694.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2026 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elisabeth Sherwood wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This appeared in the Washington, DC Craigslist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday.... 54cm lugged Roadini. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (no affiliation...) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New 54cm Rivendell Roadini - 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