OK. Thank you. I see your point. Still, it's a good bike, just not for future resale.
Sent From My iPhone On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:45 AM, rperks <perks....@gmail.com> wrote: > While I as well as others were able to do well with the sub $400 > blemish bikes it cast a hue over the early sogn line, and will keep > the prices low for these in the future. This is unfortunate, but > pricing has an impact on perception. While these are very good bikes > for the money, and IMO better than the second round of offerings due > to the vertical dropouts, But the marketing of each model as a one > time run without continuation, combined with blowout pricing dents the > long term customer impression. Example, if you loved your Rivendell > Road and lost it to a wreck, you can pick up a Ramb, Hilsen, Roadeo or > Custom and be assured that you will be in the ballpark of ride and > customer experience. If you go to the store and pick out a Trek and > split it at the BB 10 years later they will give you a new frame. But > with the Rawland the impression is such that each round is it, and if > I were to loose my dSogn in a wrek it would have to be replaced with > something completely different or custom. Even if they offered me a > replacement frame it would now have rear facing drops or possible low > trail geometry. Again, the bike is a great bike and may roll on for > decades, but resale value is affected by lack of apparent long term > commitment to the offereing. At this point you would not know from > Rawland that these bikes were ever for sale if it were not for flickr > and web forms, and they were for sale less than 2 years ago. > > I am not trying to knock down the business model Sean is using, he > offers a decent price on styles of frames that are somewhat unique in > the market, you just have to realize that you may be getting into a > one time deal. Keeping this on topic. Rivendell offers a more > complete and sustained customer experience, and therefore is able to > build a culture around their product line. Taking that further, > Grant's approach of widening the pond with other companies in the > culture, e.g. Rawland, Minnehaha, acorn and what I am starting allows > this culture to flourish. > > Rob > - > http://oceanaircycles.com/ > > On Dec 16, 8:37 am, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Rob -- please elaborate re Rawland possibly hurting the pricing of their >> bikes. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: rperks <perks....@gmail.com> >> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 8:34:00 AM >> Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Rawland Sogn, Bike Friday FT: Tikit, Nitto stem >> >> It is not just Rawland, although I think Sean did things with his >> pricing and timing that hurt the value of these bikes. Have you >> looked at the price of bike on ebay or even here? You can get a used >> surly complete well under $500 and the prices here for good Ranbo's in >> my size on this list is astonishing. 1 year ago bikes were still >> apreciating, but things are starting to dive in our world too. It >> always happens in the winter, and you could always throw the dice on >> spring and summer prices coming back up. >> >> Rob >> >> On Dec 15, 10:04 pm, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ah, unfortunately I teach in June and PBP is at the end of August. >>> I'd be broke if I paid for food in Euros for two extra months while I >>> panhandled in front of Notre Dame. >> >>> I *am* planning a SR series this year, so you never know. I want to >>> do the Paris-Roubaix route, though. >> >>> The Tikit should find a home - its really darn useful. The market for >>> the original Rawlands was kind of week even before the rSogn was >>> announced. I'm not sure why except that it was orphaned rather >>> rapidly. I've never heard a complaint about that bike and i certainly >>> don't have any. That's one I wouldn't mind keeping, with Kirk Pacenti >>> being involved in the design. I'd certainly take it over any Surly. >>> Its a nice pathway to a Bombadil. But it *is* for sale! For now... >> >>> Esteban >> >>> On Dec 15, 9:00 pm, Roy Yates <roydya...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> Is it a planned coincidence that you're teaching in France in a PBP >>>> year? >> >>>> On Dec 15, 9:25 pm, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> haha -- I teach in France this summer, and when the coupled Riv Road >>>>> custom came up with couplers, I couldn't pass up the idea of running >>>>> around the French countryside this summer on a Riv. I also may be >>>>> teaching in London in 2013, in time for the London-Edinburgh-London >>>>> 1400K. The Tikit is awesome -- really, awesome. But I'd rather be on >>>>> a big boy bike for brevets! >> >>>>> On Dec 15, 6:18 pm, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> So... I'm putting my Rawland Sogn and BF Tikit for sale to help pay >>>>>>> for a Rivendell. >> >>>>>> Wait - what riv are you buying now? 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