They have their place. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kelly Sleeper <tkslee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Zip ties have a place and many viable uses. A hack in one place, a good > fastener in another. > > Wouldn't using zips on the mud flap give more clearance for tires? I know > those lock nuts are limiting on my ahh. > > Could be zips are even practical ... At times. > > Hmmmm > > Kelly > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:25 PM, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Well said. Regardless of one's motivation and intentions, these are pricey > bikes to get to the final build-up. Not trying to appear as some elitist, > but it is what what is. Grant uses these things because he's experimenting > with stuff. I've never received any bike from them built-up with plastic. > Geez why does everything have to become some class-warfare thing? It's a > comment on workmanship not status. > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM, JimD < <rasterd...@comcast.net> > rasterd...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to do >> so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'. >> They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems. >> >> Of course some have made the same claims for duct tape and even bailing >> wire. >> -JimD >> >> On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Beth H wrote: >> >> On Dec 23, 2:16 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic >> >> ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few >> basic >> >> tools and use the correct fasteners. For a "get-you-home" or temp repair, >> >> OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's "hack". >> >> >> I suggest that while Rivendell definitely markets to the rider with "a >> job and bicycle prorities", the underlying aesthetic of Rivendell >> bikes is absolutely a loving and benign sense of "hack". For evidence, >> I submit the old tan Atlantis flyer of several years ago, which showed >> a number of Atlantii (??) in various types of build-up, with all >> manner of baskets, zip-ties and other funkinesses on them. I'd also >> look up Grant's multiple articles/photo essays on "Beausage" (a word I >> still stumble over when I actually try to use it in a sentence because >> it feels made-up), all of which practically glorify the bike that is >> well-ridden, a bit dirty, maybe even a little dented and has paint >> worn off the edges of the fork crown and all the stays. >> >> While some folks may ride a $4,000.00 bike because it's spendy or >> fancy, some folks may choose to ride a $4,000.00 Rivendell simply >> because it's well-made, and durable enough to see them out. And for >> those of us who fall into that category, there are lovely zip-ties. >> >> I hope the inventor of the zip-tie didn't die broke. >> >> Beth >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> >> rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> <rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> >> rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> <rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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