I heard/read this advice from a unremembered source. They said to use a good U-Lock AND a good cable/chain lock.
The logic being that the tools & methods required to defeat a u-lock were different from a chain/cable lock and that few bicycle thieves would carry both. Angus On Jan 29, 1:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a > layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ > years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my > offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the > seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of > my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of > expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent > area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper > than buying a Krypto mini. > > I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use > I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the > relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I > use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the > privacy to do so. > > I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot > of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and > at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt > cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right > postioning, no? > > I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is "the > choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as > the K NY "Fuggedaboutit" mini, which one site claimed withstood the > leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' > bar and which costs over $100. > > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Patrick, > > > I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially > > after seeing that video of the "not-so magnificent 7". While I doubt > > there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot > > boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those > > pricey locks. > > > The one concern I have is the "weak link" of that setup, which is > > obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess > > with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the > > padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about > > security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. > > > Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a > > kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The "price > > is quality" defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't > > possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet > > because it's fancy German engineering. > > > Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, > > but alas... > > > On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower > >> market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can > >> make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 > >> oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. > > >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > >> > Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the > >> > price. > > >> > I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a > >> > rack or pole you attach it to. > > >> > The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to > >> > duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in > >> > Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet > >> > was remarkably light. > > >> > On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but > >> >> after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20" > >> >> length of their "towing chain" and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, > >> >> all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the > >> >> ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the > >> >> front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to > >> >> spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since > >> >> there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few > >> >> inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) > > >> >> The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of > >> >> the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish > >> >> the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. > > >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters > > >> >> <michael.richt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- > >> >> >> he > >> >> >> claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell > >> >> >> me > >> >> >> how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to > >> >> >> thievery? > > >> >> > There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your > >> >> > chain is: > > >> >> >http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ > > >> >> > They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly > >> >> > impressive. > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> >> > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> >> > For more options, visit this group > >> >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> >> -- > >> >> Patrick Moore > >> >> Albuquerque, NM > >> >> For professional resumes, contact > >> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > >> >> CHAIN LOCK.jpg > >> >> 56KViewDownload > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group > >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> Patrick Moore > >> Albuquerque, NM > >> For professional resumes, contact > >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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