You are right, Tony my LBS guy is pretty mean, but we are all Italians in
Bay Ridge Brooklyn and can take having someone bust our chops about
something. Its when you cant take a joke that things get mean in our
culture, you should hear my mom curse out my dad, hahaha. I have taken
false umbrage on the list before and can assure you that it is just you
taking it too personally, we all have different senses of what is funny or
mean but I dont think anyone (even you Steve) are mean on purpose.  Seems
like another non-issue or maybe someone who is sensitve about being called
a weight weenie, dont really know or really care anymore. By the end of the
block I dont think about what my bike weighs, I am just enjoying the ride.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ryan Ray <ryanr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "go on a diet"
>
> Actually I'm pretty skinny and my Dr has told me I shouldn't lose weight.
> This is the kind of jib I was talking about. Sometimes the crowd here can
> be as bad as weight weenies. Just relax and let people ask how much a bike
> weighs. It's a perfectly normal question that doesn't deserve mean quips.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:46:30 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Lighten up, (get it, lighten up, haha) But seriously, its not like its a
>> sold steel chinese delivery bike, I wouldnt describe the hunq or even the
>> bomba as "very very heavy"  Stout yes but not like a lead weight beneath
>> you. Like so many things in life this is subjective, I rode a "heavy" mtb
>> in the Adirondacks growing up and never thought twice and now ride 33lb rig
>> around NYC and dont think about that either. Its like my LBS guy says to
>> the weight weenies, wanna lose a lb off the bike? go on a diet or take a
>> big leak, haha.
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Ryan Ray <ryanr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know you're joking but I think this thinking is as silly as being a
>>> weight weenie.
>>>
>>> If you don't care about weight at all ever you will end up with a very
>>> very heavy bike. Maybe that's OK for some people but for riding in a group
>>> in hilly Seattle it's not fun.
>>>
>>> Weight should not be something you think while riding, but while
>>> building or planning it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Caring about it
>>> to the point of abandoning said reason and abandoning higher priorities
>>> (safety, durability) is also silly of course.
>>>
>>> Why the rant? I guess I just think people should be able to ask how much
>>> a bike weighs without getting remarks like "like a certain NY jewelry shop,
>>> if you have to ask.." or "put the scale back in the bathroom."*
>>>
>>> So I say while building - ask away. It's a major financial investment
>>> and you should be happy with the results. Once built: just ride.
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
>>> * side note:  I'm really tall and actually pretty skinny to the point
>>> that I gained weight after getting in shape.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:14:59 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find
>>>>> it on the Riv site.
>>>>
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