Maybe it's time to give up on him, tell him what he wants is a top of
the line Domane with carbon wheels and tubular tires, and he should stop
wasting his time looking at heavy old steel bikes.

On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 16:01 -0700, ted wrote:
> If he wants to try an alternative to the weight weeny race rigs, he
> should probably ease up on the frame weight goal.
> You also might point out that the frame and fork are probably about
> 1/4th (or less) of the total bike weight.
> To say an AHH is too heavy because of the frame overlooks the large
> roll components play in the all up weight of a bike.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I hear you Joe, I tried to sell him the 54 AHH but he kept saying it
> was
> > too heavy, he is a good friend but this whole heavy vs light
> argument does
> > get old so looking for him to take the plunge and get a nice
> practical
> > ride. He does have an older Peugeot PX10 we could convert but with
> its
> > 'racing" geometry it wont be nearly as comfortable as a nice AHH.
> Maybe a
> > decent place to start though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is
> not a road
> > > bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and
> my AHH
> > > rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring
> and
> > > gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike.
> >
> > > Joe Bernard
> > > Vallejo, CA.
> >
> > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
> >
> > >> Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure
> > >> roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he
> still thinks
> > >> of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot "heavy", while
> wanting
> > >> simultanously to jump on the "650b Bandwagon."

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