> if they are breaking the rules then aren't they disqualified? Or listed as DNF? > Or are they cheating in a way that isn't seen an only a few or is it an allegation that all top finishers are cheaters? It is a big race with thousands or participants and spectators. Believe the organization is the French equiavalent of a not for profit. Enforcement is not easy under any circumstances - nigh impossible in PBP. And of course the idea is those who participate do so within the spirit of the event. Obviously there are those who don't care.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:40:47 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote: > > if they are breaking the rules then aren't they disqualified? Or listed > as DNF? > Or are they cheating in a way that isn't seen an only a few or is it an > allegation that all top finishers are cheaters? > > Just curious I have no idea... just doesn't sound right. > > Kelly > > On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:14:48 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: >> >> Sorry about multiple posts above. IPad Google Groups compatability >> issues. >> >> >I still think it's a race for those who finish with the best times. >> Don't you? >> >> I think if they thought of it as a race they would follow the rules. >> >> >> On Monday, August 6, 2012 1:50:01 PM UTC-5, Jim Cloud wrote: >> >>> I would hardly expect Richard Sachs to completely abandon his method >>> of frame construction at this point in his career and begin making >>> carbon fiber frames. The current demand for his bikes far exceeds his >>> capacity (he has a seven-year backlog) and he no longer builds any >>> frames except for previous customers of his frames. His bikes are >>> still, in addition, quite competitive in cyclocross. >>> >>> He also builds bikes that are "Thoroughly Modern Millies" in terms of >>> their equipment specifications, he isn't scouring the shelves looking >>> for classic NOS Campy components from the NR/SR era. He has stated >>> that every bike he produces in 2012 is a product of modern techniques >>> and equipment, he does not build the bikes with the same exact methods >>> and materials that he used 30 years ago. >>> >>> > He also seems to be unaware that PBP is not a race. >>> >>> I would also imagine that Sachs is aware that the P-B-P isn't a race >>> for many who ride in the event. I still think it's a race for those >>> who finish with the best times. Don't you? >>> >>> Jim Cloud >>> Tucson, AZ >>> >>> >>> On Aug 6, 11:09 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: >>> > On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 11:00 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: >>> > > Richard Sachs once characterized the modern >>> > > infatuation with the French Constructeur era bike, as the end-point >>> of >>> > > touring bike design, as being in the vein of Civil War enactors. >>> > >>> > Yes, that's very amusing, but one should also notice that as one of >>> the >>> > best known builders of steel racing bikes, which have not been seen in >>> > the pro peloton for many years now, and which will certainly never be >>> > seen there again, he himself could be described as engaging in or >>> > fostering Civil War Re-enactment. >>> > >>> > > He also made the point that most of the riders in the top finishing >>> > > group of classic brevets, such as the P-B-P are not riding bikes >>> that >>> > > evoke the Rene Herse or Alex Singer randonneur bikes of the past - >>> > > they're riding modern carbon fiber frame bikes. >>> > >>> > He also seems to be unaware that PBP is not a race. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xqITYN7ug84J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
