More accurately, the steepest parts of that hill are 20% or more; there are shallower sections.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > I once grunted 45 lb (including bags) up a 4/10 mile, 20% grade on my > erstwhile 67" '73 Motobecane grocery fixie at 20 rpm (4 mph). > Yesterday it was the 24/24 at 60 on the Fargo. > > Odd: the Motobecane, now belonging to Eric Norris, was built from > light 531 and weighed less than my Riv frames, yet it carried rear > loads better. > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Don <donl...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> Wow, Patrick you get the award. 35 pounds of groceries. Actually I was >> thinking of picking up a BOB Yak 28 Plus for grocery runs. >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:02:01 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> I have a pair of Ortlieb Packer Pluses and a front pair of Ortlieb >>> Packer Sports or whatever they are called. The nicest panniers I've >>> used (not that I've used many: Carradice small ones, Axioms both Dutch >>> and Standard, Avenirs, Nashbars). The QR mounting system with quick >>> adjust features is excellent. >>> >>> Carradice also have a very nice mounting system. >>> >>> Beware of unstructured, unstiffened panniers. These work fine with a >>> rack that fully protects the wheel -- ie, one with many struts like my >>> Tubus Logo -- but these things flop and get into the spokes otherwise, >>> making their use a purgatory. >>> >>> Shopping panniers: I asked not too long ago for recommendations and >>> received many; after once again using my modified Axiom Dutch >>> panniers, I decided that these are really fine for short grocery rides >>> and that I don't need to spend more money on grocery packers. (I >>> reinforced the openings' lips with aluminum strut.) Any money I spend >>> on new panniers will be for more Ortliebs or Carradices. >>> >>> Patrick Moore, who just yesterday evening carried home 35+ lbs of >>> groceries (including 8 lbs of sirloin on sale!!) in his Dutch Axioms. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Don <don...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>> > OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of >>> > lighting >>> > I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a very >>> > inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and am looking to upgrade. >>> > These >>> > would be for several day trips for more extended open road touring. I >>> > have >>> > most of my camping gear but need to purchase panniers. I have now have >>> > front >>> > and rear Nitto racks on my Sam H. Any and all advice would be helpful >>> > including: new,used, brands, models, cheap, expensive. The while >>> > enchilada. >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups >>> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eyRdgdTm3eEJ. >>> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vote early, vote often, vote Rhinoceros! >>> http://tinyurl.com/d7muj2t >>> >>> ------------------------- >>> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA >>> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW >>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>> ------------------------- >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TePDLeJgRc4J. >> >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > Vote early, vote often, vote Rhinoceros! > http://tinyurl.com/d7muj2t > > ------------------------- > Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA > For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > ------------------------- -- Vote early, vote often, vote Rhinoceros! http://tinyurl.com/d7muj2t ------------------------- Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
