> Do you think for a moment _casual_ cyclists have any idea about high end 
> road pedals of any kind?  I'll bet most _casual_ cyclists don't give any 
> thought to their pedals at all, whatever came with the bike is fine, 
> etc.
 
Used casual cyclists as reducio ad absurdam.   Most who question my pedals 
are people who bike a lot.
 
> Exactly: why would anyone serious about the sport use hopelessly 
> out-dated equipment, when everything they read tells them clipless is 
> better?
 
There is the rub.  For me cycling is not a sport but rather my primary 
method of moving from point a to point b, whether b is work, errands, local 
recreation, or far off vacation destination.  The bearings and build on the 
pedals I list are as good as and most likely better than any of the top SPD 
pedals.
 
> I gave them up because to me, not having toe clips but having positive 
> foot retention with float _is_ better.  A limiting factor on long rides 
> for me for 20 years was pain in the toe nails caused by pressure from 
> the toe clips: ignorable for the first 20 miles or so, but by mile 50 
> bringing mental images of Christ on the cross, only in my case nailed 
> through the big toes. 
 
Certainly someone experiencing foot problems with cleat or platform pedals 
should try SPD.  But I do not and remain happy with what  I ride.
 
> But you could use Bata Bikers, and they were a lot better to 
> wear off the bike than any modern shoes meant for use with clipless 
> pedals.
 
Personally, I think the quality of most modern foot wear is falling.  Most 
likely culprit are the couple of huge retailers dominating footwear sales 
constantly driving vendors to lower costs.  But that is a debate for 
another forum.



On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:55:18 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 06:26 -0800, Matthew J wrote: 
> >   And heck, my bikes have Campy Super Record, MKS Kierin and White 
> > Industry platform pedals respectively.  One would think even the most 
> > casual cyclists would be aware that I have put a lot of thought (and 
> > $) into my pedal choices. 
> > 
>
> Do you think for a moment _casual_ cyclists have any idea about high end 
> road pedals of any kind?  I'll bet most _casual_ cyclists don't give any 
> thought to their pedals at all, whatever came with the bike is fine, 
> etc. 
>
> It would be more reasonable to expect _serious_ cyclists to take note of 
> the thought, care and money you've put into pedal choices, but except 
> for a small niche most simply dismiss your choices as hopelessly 
> old-fashioned. 
>
> > Bravo.  I tried clipless when it was new - did not like it.  Few years 
> > back tried again to see how advances in technology might change my 
> > feelings.  Still don't like it.  Cannot begin to count how many total 
> > strangers have wondered when I am going to get with clipless.   
>
> Exactly: why would anyone serious about the sport use hopelessly 
> out-dated equipment, when everything they read tells them clipless is 
> better?   
>
> Now we could very well discuss whether one is better than the other and 
> why.  It's not at all clear-cut.  And I say that as one who used toe 
> clips for 20 years and then gave them up forever. 
>
> I gave them up because to me, not having toe clips but having positive 
> foot retention with float _is_ better.  A limiting factor on long rides 
> for me for 20 years was pain in the toe nails caused by pressure from 
> the toe clips: ignorable for the first 20 miles or so, but by mile 50 
> bringing mental images of Christ on the cross, only in my case nailed 
> through the big toes.   
>
> But you are confined in your shoe choices.  Of course, if you used 
> cleats as well as toe clips back in the day, you were limited in your 
> choice of shoes, too; but shoes like that are gone forever, as are the But 
> you could use Bata Bikers, and they were a lot better to 
> wear off the bike than any modern shoes meant for use with clipless 
> pedals. 
>
>
> cleats.  
>
>
>
>

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