On the mid-back burner is a model of limited appeal because it'll come only 
in a 67cm with a 6-deg upsloping TT---a Sammish bike but a hair beefier and 
in a few ways NOT a Sam. Working name, which I won't have the cajones to go 
thru with, is the Clem Smith Jr. (the  "Smitty"?)  At this stage of 
development, that is what I'm calling it. It's like a superbeefy Sam for 
the tall and beefy hillbilly who doesn't sell enough pelts and gin and baby 
pigs to afford a custom. But it will be a super neat bike---with 
differences that make sense in a hugey, and still with the normal stuff we 
gotta have in all our bikes. Yes, lugs, etc.
It may be a year and a half out. We aren't sure where it makes sense to 
make it---Taiwan or WF or Nobi---cost varies, and there are mins to 
consider and cash flow and timing and all the fun stuff that rule our world 
here---but BIKEWISE, it'll be neat.  This is a "roadish" bike, but here 
that means any road, even road that aren't "country maintained."

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:36:51 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> Seems like anything "new" would be pretty similar to the Hilsen, but 
> perhaps in a different color and with a different name. The roadish 
> Rivendell category is somewhat tightly constrained. I kinda doubt we'll see 
> a new Riv with press-in BB or a tapered headtube for zero-stack headset 
> anytime soon.
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:00:58 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Or do you think the Hilsen has a lock on it for now for the 
>> general-use-mobile?
>>  
>> The reason I ask is because if I had to buy a new bike soon, it would 
>> have to be the Hilsen for my taste/needs (commutin'/rec-rides).
>> Was wondering if sum-n' new might come out since they seem to stop 
>> production on frames every few years and come out with a new model 
>> replacement.
>>  
>> Just ponderin'.
>>  
>>
>

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