Thanks for all the replies!  I talked with Brian over at RBW who suggested 
170mm crank arms on the bleriot for a rider my height.  

Anyone have an extra used or new sugino xd2 170mm?

Dave

On Monday, January 21, 2013 2:36:28 PM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> Those differences are mostly inconsequential. Take for example the 108. 
> Compared to the 110, it's narrower by 1mm per side. OK, so sometimes that 
> can mean the difference between the crank arms clearing the chainstay, but 
> most of the time it's really not that important to get the BB length spot 
> on. Especially for a square taper BB/crank system, using or not using 
> grease on the taper and torquing to spec (whose spec) can also change the 
> installation by millimeters.
>
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:55:31 PM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Jay.  Typo on my part.  110mm.  Then with Phil Wood, seems like 
>> 110 isn't an option.....108, 111, 113.  Not that I'm ready to drop that 
>> kind of cash, but just trying to understand my options.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:51:08 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> Says 110mm, like this one, 
>>> http://www.jensonusa.com/Bottom-Brackets/Shimano-UN53-Square-Taper-BB 
>>> $10 
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 10:42 pm, Dave <davele...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> > Looks like I've got some reading/learning to do in terms of bottom 
>>> > brackets.  "All riv's take a 100mm with the Sugino XD-2 crank" is what 
>>> > rivbike says on their $40 cartridge bb page.  Then looking at Phil 
>>> Wood 
>>> > bb's on the net there are too many options.... 
>>> > 
>>> > On Monday, January 21, 2013 12:26:07 PM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > > A square taper BB is $20. Not a big deal. 
>>> > 
>>> > > On Jan 21, 10:21 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> > > > The geometry is not all that hard to figure out.  A few mm of 
>>> length 
>>> > > change 
>>> > > > will change your clearance by a few mm.  A few degrees of extra 
>>> lean 
>>> > > before 
>>> > > > you scrape.  Pedal scrapes during a deep lean can be incredibly 
>>> > > dangerous. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > In my opinion, it is much more important to have the right length 
>>> for 
>>> > > > pedalling than it is to have the right length for max turning 
>>> clearance. 
>>> > >  I 
>>> > > > ride 172.5mm on all my bikes and when I ride my wife's Betty 
>>> areound the 
>>> > > > block, the 165mm arms on there feel like a midget bike to me. 
>>>  Alot of 
>>> > > the 
>>> > > > fixie crowd run 165's to promote spinning, but on a geared bike, 
>>> my 
>>> > > > instinct tells me that 165s would be a mistake.  Narrow width 
>>> platform 
>>> > > > pedals, like the grip kings, could make more of a difference than 
>>> > > crankarm 
>>> > > > length, if you want to experiment more affordably. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > There's a semi-famous Greg Lemond quote about pedal clearance.  He 
>>> said 
>>> > > "if 
>>> > > > you think you need to pedal through a corner, you weren't going 
>>> fast 
>>> > > enough 
>>> > > > into the turn".  That's from a purely racer perspective. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:33:47 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > Hey hey, 
>>> > > > > Question about crank length and possible change.  I'm riding a 
>>> 59 
>>> > > bleriot 
>>> > > > > protovelo that I bought used with a 175mm shimano 105 cranks on 
>>> it. 
>>> > >  The 
>>> > > > > pedal strike I get is kind of avoidable,but still present 
>>> frequently. 
>>> > > > > I've tried the mks stream pedals that it came with, along with 
>>> the 
>>> > > gr-9 
>>> > > > > platform pedals.   With toe clips, they strike the ground if 
>>> moving 
>>> > > the 
>>> > > > > bike without my feet in them.  Any hard turns are problematic if 
>>> you 
>>> > > need 
>>> > > > > to pedal through. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > How much difference do you think moving to 165mm sugino xd2 
>>> cranks 
>>> > > would 
>>> > > > > provide? I'm not sure of the Q factor on the shimano cranks, or 
>>> how 
>>> > > new 
>>> > > > > cranks would work with my bottom bracket (not entirely sure 
>>> what's in 
>>> > > > > there)....so not sure if any of these questions can be answered. 
>>>
>>

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