Agreed. Ugh.

In the quest to make a "budget" Riv, what exactly are the qualities they 
are trying to deliver at a budget price, and what exactly can be given up 
to get there? 

If you are trying to deliver the Riv ride and fit, great. Then do it in a 
form that allows you to deliver those qualities in a less expensive 
package, like a TIG-ed, powder coated frame. 
If you are just trying to deliver lugs, then you'll eventually hit a floor 
on labor, even if you use the cheapest tubes possible. But still, if you 
want lugs-for-all, cheap, then go for it.

If you are trying to deliver everything, but just cheaper, then you can't. 
That's why there's no $30k Ferrari. I think that at least some small part 
of Riv's appeal is that they are "nice" bikes to a degree, that people are 
proud to own. I don't see how a rattle-can-it-yourself frame fits into that 
brand image. If paint is the only thing you can imagine giving up, then 
maybe you just can't do it.

It wouldn't surprise me if RBW has reached the same conclusion.

-Pete in CT



On Monday, February 25, 2013 8:11:26 PM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Ugh...
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, redsydude <thau...@q.com 
> <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>> I think in 2011 their idea was to .... spray paint the frame for a few 
>> dollars to make it look old and increase its theftproofedness.  
>>
>
>

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