Your right, Ron, room for toe and forefoot splay is critical. I like to 
have an extra 1/4-1/2" width (total from both sides) on the sides, as the 
foot splays that much when running. I'm glad you've found what works for 
you.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:23:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> on my caged pedals I have to wear shoes with shanks - Chrome - part of 
> that is riding on the ball of my foot.  With Grip Kings and the Proterra 
> Sports I'm riding with the pedal centered on my arch.  The Proterra Sports 
> are as light as sandals and have all the support I need on my grip kings. 
>  I've also ridden 20 miles in the rain without no slip on the pedal.  
>
>  I also wet-wade hill country rivers - miles on rocks hiking and wading. 
>  Been through lots of shoes and when I find a system that works for my 
> feet, I order them in spares.  When Keen closed out their Hood River wading 
> boots, I ordered two pair from the last place I could find them.  I ordered 
> Merrill Kahuna sandals from the UK to get a pair.  Foot binding?  No, a 
> pair of shoes that fits lets your feet have the same feeling as your hands 
> do when you stretch your fingers as wide as you can.  
>
> On Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:17:34 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Merrill also has a line of barefoot shoes (I know, right?!), which have 
>> far less to no cushioning or support. My only problem with them is they are 
>> last shaped rather than foot shaped. When I started going barefoot, I had 
>> flat feet and had "needed" orthotics since I was 12. My feet strengthened 
>> and I now have a clearly defined arch that functions properly as the 
>> windlass mechanism it is. My wife and a number of people on the minimalist 
>> running group I'm on started out with high arches and found they also 
>> greatly strengthened their feet and improved. Turns out most shoes are 
>> modern foot binding devices disguised as technology -- that over protect 
>> and weaken our feet rendering them incapable of proper function without 
>> slowly being exposed to freedom. A marketing/production cycle not unlike 
>> that of modern bike tech, much of which simply creates the market for more 
>> devices to help us overcome the weaknesses due to the previous ones. But 
>> perhaps I'm too jaded and cynical? Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:01:15 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Merrills are very lightweight and with substantial support - (I have 
>>> high-arch ice-skate feet).  Proterras are my choice for Grip King pedals.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:40:59 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Since we're listing minimalist shoe options, here are ones I know of 
>>>> not yet mentioned that may work for you:
>>>> Merrill Barefoot
>>>> Altra
>>>> Vibram FiveFingers
>>>> Luna Sandals
>>>> XeroShoes (sandals, actually)
>>>> Born to Run
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>

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